The tag implication #31836 young -> feral has been rejected.

Reason: Hello, I like pictures of ferals no matter what age but don't want images of prepubescent humanoids. By humanoid, I mean anything that have a human-based bodyshape like humans and anthros. I don't want sexualized bodies that resembles human children and it's illegal for my country to have illustrations like that no matter what it says on the descriptions. Remove the Flat chest and small penis tag won't fix it either which is the main parts to my country decide what's child pornography and what's not no matter what's the target's real age is. However feral cubs are legal but I can't remove the humanoid tag without removing ferals too because the tags are very blurry and unclear. People tags loli and shota on feral cubs and put anthros with humanoid children's bodies in cubs just because they have animal like features. I think it would be better if these tags are more stricter and clearer divided so that cubs is only refer to feral young while shota and loli refer to humanoid young. Also I see too many underaged characters that did not get tagged and have been so for years.
Thank you

EDIT: The tag implication cub -> feral (forum #287612) has been rejected by @Millcore.

You can use your blacklist for that.

Blacklist young and move on then

The only way to fully allow what you are asking if we started using age tags for forms, which I wouldn't be against personally. It is reasonable to argue that someone may want to see only feral cubs, and not anthro cubs or young characters. There is no entirely accurate way to remove other forms of cub without going to extreme like restricting to only solo images.

(young_human, young_taur, young_feral, young_anthro, young_humanoid)

Having just feral_cub, and anthro_cub would also be a solution, but less inclusive to other forms.

I think it would be useful to have.

These are some of my favourite threads. A word to the OP, if you make your request this messy people are just going to ignore it and post the stock "blacklist and go away" response.

Here's my attempt at a breakdown.

However feral cubs are legal but I can't remove the humanoid tag without removing ferals too because the tags are very blurry and unclear. People tags loli and shota on feral cubs and put anthros with humanoid children's bodies in cubs just because they have animal like features.

OP is complaining they can't just blacklist ~anthro ~human ~humanoid young because the range of what they want to see extends into the anthro tag but not all the way to a human body-type. I'd like to recommend the use of semi-anthro as a solution, but that's pretty under-utilised. (So, ideally, the blacklist line would be ~anthro ~human ~humanoid young -semi-anthro but would most likely still fail to satisfy the OP, and also fail to include images featuring a young feral alongside an adult anthro/humanoid)
This also seems to lead into a misunderstanding of what humanoid means here. The OP appears to be using it to refer to anthro characters whose general body type are very close to fully human, not the site's definition of humanoid being Non-human creatures that resemble humans, with minimal or no animal features.

The rest is just misunderstanding what all the tags mean.
loli and shota are only for sexual/suggestive posts.
and cub is supposed to be all young non-humanoid characters, but is also heavily under-policed, and that's not going to change anytime soon.

It should go without saying this implication request is abhorrent, and would require an immense amount of manual cleanup in a tag that's already being left alone as it is.

magnuseffect said:
These are some of my favourite threads. A word to the OP, if you make your request this messy people are just going to ignore it and post the stock "blacklist and go away" response.

Here's my attempt at a breakdown.
OP is complaining they can't just blacklist ~anthro ~human ~humanoid young because the range of what they want to see extends into the anthro tag but not all the way to a human body-type. I'd like to recommend the use of semi-anthro as a solution, but that's pretty under-utilised. (So, ideally, the blacklist line would be ~anthro ~human ~humanoid young -semi-anthro but would most likely still fail to satisfy the OP, and also fail to include images featuring a young feral alongside an adult anthro/humanoid)
This also seems to lead into a misunderstanding of what humanoid means here. The OP appears to be using it to refer to anthro characters whose general body type are very close to fully human, not the site's definition of humanoid being Non-human creatures that resemble humans, with minimal or no animal features.

The rest is just misunderstanding what all the tags mean.
loli and shota are only for sexual/suggestive posts.
and cub is supposed to be all young non-humanoid characters, but is also heavily under-policed, and that's not going to change anytime soon.

It should go without saying this implication request is abhorrent, and would require an immense amount of manual cleanup in a tag that's already being left alone as it is.

Your response isn't much easier to read or understand.

The OP wants to see feral cubs, but not any other form of young character. This is not possible, because cub refers to anthros, taurs, and ferals.

The only realistic solution to this is to associate ages to a form.

The answer here is very simple. Add "young -feral" to a single line of your blacklist. If anything on your described list of disliked things manages to get through, it's miss-tagged, and you can simply fix that.

jacob said:
The answer here is very simple. Add "young -feral" to a single line of your blacklist. If anything on your described list of disliked things manages to get through, it's miss-tagged, and you can simply fix that.

A humanoid child (which would get tagged young) and their feral pet (which would get tagged feral) would evade that blacklist while having valid tags.

The thorough solution is more difficult, though, and that's to blacklist every body type & young except feral. If a humanoid child and their feral pet is tagged on a post, blacklisting young humanoid would cover that. The only issue is how thorough they want to be, since there are certain character types that wouldn't get a "form" tag, such as a literal talking teapot; such would get tagged animate_inanimate instead of anthro, humanoid, feral, and et cetera. But there's a lot of those tags, so maybe it'd be better to just blacklist the standard "form" tags.

For going about with that, you'd blacklist
Young human Young humanoid Young anthro Young taur Young semi-anthro
and add any missing tags if it goes through a blacklist. This should be thorough enough...

I don't understand what the OP is saying, though. What I do know is that this implication would cause a lot of invalid tags, so I'm vetoing as well. If you wish to explain what your goal is, @blankscreen, I'm willing to offer some more precise advice.

Obviously the proposed implication is an awful one as 85% of the images tagged as cub are currently not tagged as feral, a quick glance over the cub tag would show that it is not being used to tag primarily/only ferals, the wiki page says nothing about it being exclusively used to tag primarily/only ferals, and the common usage of "cub" outside of e621 in the furry community has no implication about it being used to refer only to ferals.

There is a spectrum of things that could be feasibly called a "cub":

• humans with some animal features (i.e. animal_humanoid)
• very human-like anthros (e.g. most anthros with just fur, tail, and occasionally an animal head)
• more feral-like anthros (anything from having more fur tufts drawn in, to being full-on beast kids),
• animals and fantasy species like monsters and pokemon, some of which are human-like to varying levels in varying aspects, even in their otherwise "feral" forms
• and of course, proper feral animals drawn 100% accurately to reality

You haven't given an argument for why "cub" should be re-defined from its current usage (that is, everything from above list except for animal_humanoid) other than it would be more convenient for YOUR black-list to hit an arbitrary line in character style that YOU want to see in YOUR cub porn.

You claim that you are seeing humanoids tagged as "cub", but either you are unclear about what a humanoid is, or you are seeing pictures which are tagged incorrectly, which this implication is not going to help solve.

Or maybe your real complaint is the definition of what qualifies as an "anthro" versus a "humanoid". Unfortunately with a discrete number of tags, you are always going to have some characters which aren't clearly in one category or another, so you will end up having to block too much or too little.

And, without a hierarchical tagging system, you are also always going to have unintended casualties when you use the blacklist due to ambiguity about multiple characters in a scene.

That is just the price you have to pay when you decide to black-list things.

The tag implication cub -> feral (forum #287612) has been rejected by @Millcore.