Implicating anthro_penetrating_feral → anthro_on_feral
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Why not just alias it?

Fifteen said:
Why not just alias it?

they are not same thing. anthro on feral is for all content of anthro and feral character doing any kind of sexual activities (for example non penetrative sex, feral penetrating anthro and so on) while anthro penetrating feral is especially for images where anthros are penetrating ferals. this is very useful tag for looking for specific content or filtering out specific content

Alias it and the other anthro_penetrating_* tags to (currently underused) anthro_penetrating.

Complex combo tags are to be avoided, and we specifically created the *_penetrating tag group so that we don't need something like 'x penetrating y'.

With the *_penetrating group, it's possible to search for anthro_on_feral anthro_penetrating, plus various other combinations. Whereas 'anthro_penetrating_feral' is so specific that it should be a set instead.

When I saw the recent wiki update, I thought as if anthro_on_feral and bestiality aren't enough...

Genjar said:
(currently underused) anthro_penetrating

I forgot that was a tag. I've been tagging [gender]_penetrating only. I think that illustrates the problem? We have enough of these similar tags to maintain as it is, and tagging simple sex scenes is already complex and unwieldy.

abadbird said:
When I saw the recent wiki update, I thought as if anthro_on_feral and bestiality aren't enough...

I forgot that was a tag. I've been tagging [gender]_penetrating only. I think that illustrates the problem? We have enough of these similar tags to maintain as it is, and tagging simple sex scenes is already complex and unwieldy.

Is.. is there a list of this shit somewhere? I mean, I know we have the tagging checklist, but I'm not sure how up to date it is.

Maybe there should be an effort to put together a new and improved tagging checklist? "How to Tag Sex"? I dunno.

I feel like a lot of wiki pages are not as complete as they could be, with regard to lists of other, similarly related tags. And that helps a lot in trying to find the right tags for things... I mean, the sex wiki doesn't have anything like male_penetrating on it, or anthro_on_feral or anything like that, and you'd think that would be there that SHOULD be..

abadbird said:
I forgot that was a tag. I've been tagging [gender]_penetrating only.

Well, it isn't... yet.
*_penetrating was created for genders, to replace overtly specific tags such as male_penetrating_female.

But since the form tags now have the same problem (over 1000 posts tagged as feral_penetrating_anthro, etc), it'd make sense to import those into the existing system.

On the other hand, I'm kind of tired of sorting out these messes. Too many keep ignoring the rules about creating new tags, and since these shouldn't exist in the first then maybe we should just wipe them. But like Commander Eggplant said, these do have some potential use..

SnowWolf said:
Is.. is there a list of this shit somewhere? I mean, I know we have the tagging checklist, but I'm not sure how up to date it is.

Nope, no lists.
During the past couple of years, there were several users who kept constantly making new tags (most of which were badly named or redundant), without adding proper wiki entries or even explaining how the tags should be used. Nobody (admins included) could keep up with it.

Most of them have either been banned or gone inactive, but they left quite a mess behind.

Genjar said:
Well, it isn't... yet.
*_penetrating was created for genders, to replace overtly specific tags such as male_penetrating_female.

But since the form tags now have the same problem (over 1000 posts tagged as feral_penetrating_anthro, etc), it'd make sense to import those into the existing system.

On the other hand, I'm kind of tired of sorting out these messes. Too many keep ignoring the rules about creating new tags, and since these shouldn't exist in the first then maybe we should just wipe them. But like Commander Eggplant said, these do have some potential use..

well... they might be overly specific, but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that, as long as things are intuitive, consistent, and both well tagged and documented. That said, I don't think?? there's much difference between anthro_penetrating and anthro_penetrating_feral (outside of the fact that anthro_penetrating_feral saves you a tag, and allows you to just click a tag and browse)

Nope, no lists.
During the past couple of years, there were several users who kept constantly making new tags (most of which were badly named or redundant), without adding proper wiki entries or even explaining how the tags should be used. Nobody (admins included) could keep up with it.

Most of them have either been banned or gone inactive, but they left quite a mess behind.

Yuck. Well... I'd totally help with helping to fix that-- badly named or redundant tags aren't too hard to take care of... just gotta establish what the 'best' tags are.

So... Maybe we should make a thread for putting together a list of tags... I mean, not ALL the tags in the world, but some basics for people who are tagging pictures. AS we find the trouble places, we can figure out which set of posts are 'better' than others.

I don't have tiem to do a lot of research right now, but I'll start a thread witha rough outline, so other peopel can jump in with lists of tags. And maybe it won't go anywhere, but maybe we can get a couple of us (like me) more educated about the tags in use. :) Nope, not enough time.

SnowWolf said:
well... they might be overly specific, but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that, as long as things are intuitive, consistent, and both well tagged and documented. That said, I don't think?? there's much difference between anthro_penetrating and anthro_penetrating_feral (outside of the fact that anthro_penetrating_feral saves you a tag, and allows you to just click a tag and browse)

The anthro_penetrating tag could also apply to humans, humanoids, taurs, robots, toasters, sex toys, etc. Which is pretty nice, I think. It only has trouble with group pictures where there's a lot of crap going on, buuuut, I don't think that's going to be a super big problem.

Me:
I don't have time to do a lot of research right now, but I'll start a thread with a rough outline, so other peopel can jump in with lists of tags. And maybe it won't go anywhere, but maybe we can get a couple of us (like me) more educated about the tags in use. :)

AS a note, nope, I can't start a thread right now. Have too much demanding my attention right now for me to do the research needed. And this weekend's looking busy... So maybe someone else could get it started, if they think that this might be a good idea?

regsmutt said:
The anthro_penetrating tag could also apply to humans, humanoids, taurs, robots, toasters, sex toys, etc. Which is pretty nice, I think. It only has trouble with group pictures where there's a lot of crap going on, buuuut, I don't think that's going to be a super big problem.

Fair, fair...

Hmm... is there a reciprocal tag? like penetrating_feral ? penetrated_feral?

SnowWolf said:
Fair, fair...

Hmm... is there a reciprocal tag? like penetrating_feral ? penetrated_feral?

I don't think I've seen such a tag in use if it exists.

regsmutt said:
I don't think I've seen such a tag in use if it exists.

Well... It seems pretty logical to have to me. Maybe I don't care who's doing the penetrating, just who's getting penetrated.

(also, the *_penetrating tag doesn't have much/anything right now either, sooo... we're starting from the basics. :)

SnowWolf said:
well... they might be overly specific, but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that, as long as things are intuitive, consistent, and both well tagged and documented.

When it comes to tagging, 'overly specific' and 'well tagged' can rarely be used in the same sentence. The more specific the tags get, the less functional the whole system becomes.

To put it in perspective: over 127500 posts are currently missing the basic character count tags (solo, duo, group, or zero_pictured) and that's just one basic tag group among dozens. There's a limited number of active taggers, and each time new tags are added, it becomes harder and harder to try to keep up with missing tags and mistags.

(Also, this is more of a pet peeve, but feral in particular is frequently mistagged. It's hard enough already to try and spot all the related tags when fixing mistags: bestiality, clothed_feral, male_on_feral, anthro_on_feral, busty_feral, etc. Adding yet more tags and implications to the mix means that those will only become slower to fix.)

SnowWolf said:
Well... It seems pretty logical to have to me. Maybe I don't care who's doing the penetrating, just who's getting penetrated.

Yeah, I've suggested that in the past, but it didn't get much support. Shame, since *_penetrating combined with *_penetrated would offer a lot of search flexibility, without having to create dozens of combo tags.

Genjar said:
When it comes to tagging, 'overly specific' and 'well tagged' can rarely be used in the same sentence. The more specific the tags get, the less functional the whole system becomes.

Well, I'd argue that that depends. There are.. say.. 3 types of searches:

One type is picture hunt. The harpy white_feathers green_hair. The "I know it's here SOMEWHERE" search for one specific image.

Another is the multitag search. for example female merfolk or male fox or female/female avian pussy or whatever. the, ahem, "browsing" search for specific, yet broad content.

Then there's the third type. the "Whoa... that picture's neat. How do I see more like THAT?" search. Sometimes it's as simple as looking at the taglist and seeing that Tentacle_hair is a tag. Or furgonomics. Sometimes you find yourself fumbling. Like my plant_antlers (haven't gotten around to trolling around for more pictures to go in there. Think that one might be next.) or mosscat, which is a character made entirely out of moss and plants. Flora_fauna's a thing, but there's a difference between a sentient piranha plant, and animal who's fur is leafy (as such: set:leafywildlife ) (not that that's the best example because as much as I love it, it'd be hard to make clear tags that won't be misused)

Or, as a better example: I love gryphons. Gryphons come in several flavors-- the traditional eagle-and-lion gryphon (post #1407844), and... everything else.. ranging from owl-snow leopards (post #28499) to sparrow-cats (post #933616) to purple eagle dragons (post #1358371). But there's no way to separate them apart. Gryphons are not tagged eagle and lion. they're tagged gryphon. SOME of the odd-gryphons are tagged with other things (like gryphon snowy_owl snow_leopard), but many are not. They're all gryphons, of course, and I don't want bluejay/lion_gryphon to be a tag. But I'd love to see some tags like small_gryphon or cat_gryphon or unusual_gryphon. There are 6000 gryphon posts out there. I don't want to go through all of them to try and find my 'unusual gryphons.' I also don't want to try random searches like sparrow gryphon to try and get what I want and pull up a few posts at a time, while missing half of 'em.

So.. I guess tl;dr, it depends on what kind of searches you're wanting to optimize for. I tend to be the third type of searcher. I want to separate the chimera from the chimera_(mythology) for people like me. :) I like tags that are specific. But not too specific. No one needs brown_hair_with_frosted_tips.... but, y'know, I'd argue for black_and_red_hair because of how common it (probably) is. (except not, because that would be mind numbing)

That said....

To put it in perspective: over 127500 posts are currently missing the basic character count tags (solo, duo, group, or zero_pictured) and that's just one basic tag group among dozens. There's a limited number of active taggers, and each time new tags are added, it becomes harder and harder to try to keep up with missing tags and mistags.

I do get that. :( It's sad and frustrating. There used to be a lot more people interested in actively tagging.. It's one of the reasons I'm so vocal about what I'm up to--lead by example and all--well, not lead exactly, but. Maybe I should start another "tagging projects" thread? Once upon a time, that was quite successful for getting things done. A lot of people like helping, they just are not sure where to. ANd the tagging checklist is linked via the text 'tagging help' and doens't really do anything to sell itself as a list of suggested tags. The wiki's rather neglected and..

well, yeah.

It's why most of my tagging projects have been small in scope, too--I'd never make it through trying to retag 75% of the posts on the site :P

(Also, this is more of a pet peeve, but feral in particular is frequently mistagged. It's hard enough already to try and spot all the related tags when fixing mistags: bestiality, clothed_feral, male_on_feral, anthro_on_feral, busty_feral, etc. Adding yet more tags and implications to the mix means that those will only become slower to fix.)

I get you. I do. Hmm... Maybe... a set of wiki pages like.. "what are you tagging today?" and go through a few pages, choose-your-own-adventure style, so that you can find lists of appropriate tags. (that is so needlessly complicated. But maybe there's a good idea in there...) Giving people the tools to improve themselves goes a long way towards fixing tagging issues. I mean, it's no magic bullet or anything, but...

Yeah, I've suggested that in the past, but it didn't get much support. Shame, since *_penetrating combined with *_penetrated would offer a lot of search flexibility, without having to create dozens of combo tags.

Well, you've got a plus one from me. it woudln't be too hard to replace the anthro_penetrating_feral type stuff. because if it's anthro_penetrating_feral, then anthro_penetrating and penetrated_feral would always aply. the problem is all the OTHER posts that aren't tagged yet.

Genjar said:
Alias it and the other anthro_penetrating_* tags to (currently underused) anthro_penetrating.

Complex combo tags are to be avoided, and we specifically created the *_penetrating tag group so that we don't need something like 'x penetrating y'.

With the *_penetrating group, it's possible to search for anthro_on_feral anthro_penetrating, plus various other combinations. Whereas 'anthro_penetrating_feral' is so specific that it should be a set instead.

sounds like a pretty big project to break up those tags and also reunify the ones that don't have any of these x_penetrating_y or X_on_y tags. The only problem I see is people only tagging the _penetrating, and very few people seem to be tagging _penetrated