Implicating cream_hair → hair
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Reason:

cream_hair is a subset of hair

IDKMyBFFJill said:
Implicating cream_hair → hair
Link to implication

Reason:

cream_hair is a subset of hair

Your forums are about a similar topic, so for next time I wanna let you know you could've had them in the same thread by suggesting one of them in the description.

Secondly, I'm not sure if cream and tan should be seperate hair colors as they're pretty much identical from what I've seen. It might be good to, like with other tan_* tags, to alias both to "beige_hair" perhaps

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
Your forums are about a similar topic, so for next time I wanna let you know you could've had them in the same thread by suggesting one of them in the description.

Secondly, I'm not sure if cream and tan should be seperate hair colors as they're pretty much identical from what I've seen. It might be good to, like with other tan_* tags, to alias both to "beige_hair" perhaps

alias to tan, since that's standard (see tan_fur, tan_background)

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
alias to tan, since that's standard (see tan_fur, tan_background)

That could also be good. I was more or less trying too fit with other standards that do the opposite, such as the beige_skin, beige_penis, and beige_countershading tags.

We might need to come to a general consensus in the future on which is preferred, tan or beige.

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
That could also be good. I was more or less trying too fit with other standards that do the opposite, such as the beige_skin, beige_penis, and beige_countershading tags.

:/

We might need to come to a general consensus in the future on which is preferred, tan or beige.

yesplz

https://e621.net/forum/show/235622
https://e621.net/forum/show/219458

MyNameIsOver20charac said:

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
That could also be good. I was more or less trying too fit with other standards that do the opposite, such as the beige_skin, beige_penis, and beige_countershading tags.

We might need to come to a general consensus in the future on which is preferred, tan or beige.

yesplz

We did once (where some of the aliases came from) but maybe checking on how well it's been working, etc may be worth doing. Then get the rest all aliased in the same direction once and for all.

I think last time I saw it discussed that involved aliasing one to the other, tan won because people felt it was easier to spell. Though with aliases that shouldn't be a problem either way. Personally I always leaned towards beige because I felt that using "tan" pulled the use in tagging towards the brownish tones and left out a lot of the upper shades of beige (peach/pinkish/creamish/skin-ish/"flesh colored"/"nude"/off/not-really-white-ish neutral tones) which arguably is the main purpose for those tags. It's a tendency. Which makes some sense. Under most definitions, tan is just the darker spectrum of beige until it becomes too dark/intense and crosses the line into brown. But it's not normally applied to the lighter shades of beige.

(The concepts of "tanning" vs "pale" skin in real life usage does not help with making it clear either, since the association is strong. And that use of tanning = turning skin darker, so getting people to use tan_* on what looks too cream or "pale" or "flesh" colors is not very smooth going.)

Whereas if beige is the main tag, then everything in that weird fuzzy neutrals space clearly belongs. It does crowd out some of the darker tans but that may be just as well, since if it's too strong of a tan to feel like "beige" fits to describe it, then maybe it really is just a light brown in that image, etc. Tan can sometimes straddle that line between beige and brown (not helpful) while seeming inaccurate for tagging creams or pinkish/fleshy shades as being legitimately "tan".

Comparing right now beige_skin to tan_skin and you can see that despite a lot of overlap in both, the tan_skin is heavily towards the browns and yellows, while the beige_skin includes a noticeably higher amount of peach/cream/lighter beige tones that are not being tagged under tan_skin much at all. Both are filled with beige, but the usage of tan seems like it's seen as narrower and tilted towards brownish. So if we make them all Tan_* how likely are those other shades to go undertagged as not seeming "tan" enough to fit anywhere now?

Beige is just more in the middle between cream/eggshell/ivory/etc (on the extreme lightness end of beige) vs tan (which ranges through about the middle of beige all the way down into light brown) while also allowing for more of the weirder versions like peach/pinkish/blush/champagne/not-grey/cream/fleshy/nude/whatever tones that artists often blend colors to even make. Since cream, tan, peach and beige versions of the same tags usually end up aliased to the same place, picking the middle one that overlaps the others seems like the most natural fit, instead of picking the term for either extreme end of the range it's meant to tag. All the other terms besides the word "beige" kind of overemphasize part of the range, and make the rest seem out of place. Beige seems more likely to include (or at least not exclude) all the rest, based on how it's getting used.

Just thoughts though. ETA: it looks like it's come up a few times since the discussions I'm thinking of. So some kind of consensus is obviously still needed. I still vote for beige over tan though.

If we alias to beige*, can we have biege* aliased to that? Can't believe how many times I've made that typo, and I can't be the only one.

furrypickle said:
yesplz

...[/quote]same could be said if we focused on beige or cream, instead of being pulled to brownish tones, it would be pulled to whitish or yellowish tones, leading us back to square one.I also dont believe the preference for tan has anything to do with the ease of spelling but rather being more clear as to what it covers then beige, non British English speakers might be less clear as to what beige is. As far as colors like cream and peach, they can run into the issue that leads to disambiguations by having a actual object in their name, not all peaches are the same color and not all creams are a light milky yellow that cream as a color is most often standing for, there are creams the are solid white or even a light blue.

I have in the past generally supported the aliasing of cream and beige tags to their tan equivalent, but i would also welcome the removal of all 3 colors and defaulting to yellow, brown or white instead if that is decided.