Aliasing bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) → bowser_jr.
Link to alias.

Reason:

Bowser Koopa Junior is literally just an aged up, adult version of Bowser Jr.. Users can always just search for bowser_jr. roommates_(comic) if they want to see this particular iteration of him.

+1 since the other Mario characters, like Roy Koopa in post #128177 for example, is not tagged using a _(roommates) postfix.

It's been over a year and the only argument I've seen anywhere in favor of keeping the seperate tag is "There are pokemon/digimon who have their characters tagged" which is nonsense considering that Bowser Jr isn't a species, he's already a character. Can anybody provide a reasonable argument, or should we just push this through now?

So renamon which has slightly alterned pattern in their fur gets character tag but other character with similar changes and older age does not?
Fan characters are still tagged with character tag and characters are excluded from TWYS.

And if this does get trough, we should be starting to purge stuff under fan character.

E: before you start with species vs character, wouldn't this be koopa OC, which is named bowser koopa junior, not older version of bowser jr.
You can create fan character from specific copyright (my little pony being prime example), species or individual characters.

Example, sonic series fan character and sonic the hedgehog fan character:
post #1396540 post #1467282

It's in this case the fan character has clearly established name and tons of content, why would you alias fan character to official character?

Mairo said:
So renamon which has slightly alterned pattern in their fur gets character tag but other character with similar changes and older age does not?

Fan characters are still tagged with character tag and characters are excluded from TWYS.

And if this does get trough, we should be starting to purge stuff under fan character.

E: before you start with species vs character, wouldn't this be koopa OC, which is named bowser koopa junior, not older version of bowser jr.

Applejack_(mlp) is still Applejack even if she looks different:
post #1404698
And even if a crossgender version is presented with a different name, they get the old name and a crossgender tag. Apparently, this never actually get approved? Nontheless, just looking into the Pinkie_Pie_(MLP) wiki, the "Original character" version of her, Kinky Pie, got aliased away.

Bowser Koopa Jr., meanwhile, is Bowser Jr in name, design, and colors. He's older and has longer hair, but when especially the name is the same, is there any reason to try and use a different tag?

Well, I'd argue...

this is Bowser Jr:

post #1389768 post #1210653 post #993134

While he's obviously a kid, and could change as he grows us, he's got some traits: Green head, yellow body, smiled shell, small horn-stubs, and red hair in a pony tail. This is basically the same as Bowser, except his spikes are spikier and his horns hornier and he's wears his hair different and he's not a kid.

They look very similar is what I'm saying.

meanwhile, this is bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates):

post #1269745 post #817555 post #394238 post #94021

Okay. So.

I show you these, and I tell you that it's an alternate universe Bowser. You believe me. I tell you it's an aged up Bowser Jr. You believe me. I tell you it's a random Koopa. You believe me. I tell you it's Bowser's brother. You believe me.

bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates), as a character, is not obviously based on Bowser Jr's design, in 99% of images (exception is post #552645 -- which is a Halloween picture.)

bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) is not Bowser_jr.

However, he DOES have a regular, repeated character design, and is identifiable as a character.

Bowser Koopa Junior is, in my opinion, a Koopa with an unfortunately specific name that happens to be the same as a cannon character's name.

So, I support keeping bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) as a tag, and argue that Browser_jr. should be UNTAGGED from every image involving bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates). :)

If I want pictures of bowser_jr. I don't want pictures of that guy. Except maybe in that one halloween picture.

SnowWolf said:
bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates), as a character, is not obviously based on Bowser Jr's design, in 99% of images (exception is post #552645 -- which is a Halloween picture.)

Come again? His colors and design are identical between that image and all others. He's wearing a shell and bib when he normally doesn't, and has his hair tied up, but take a look at their iteration of Roy Koopa compared to the standard style:
post #1006329 post #1047829
He's tall and skinny, rather than short and fat, he's got no shell, and rather than having those outward fangs, he just has larger canines about where a human's would be. Trying to say that these same design changes make that Bowser Jr a different character when it doesn't apply to Roy is just silly.

Bowser Koopa Junior is, in my opinion, a Koopa with an unfortunately specific name that happens to be the same as a cannon character's name.

In my opinion, if you say "hey, this is the Junior to that video game boss," you're saying "hey, this is the Junior to that video game boss." Bowser Koopa Jr is the son of Bowser "King" Koopa, why would you use the full name and add Jr if you weren't calling them the same Jr that already exists?

Furrin_Gok said:
Come again? His colors and design are identical between that image and all others. He's wearing a shell and bib when he normally doesn't, and has his hair tied up, but take a look at their iteration of Roy Koopa compared to the standard style:
post #1006329 post #1047829
He's tall and skinny, rather than short and fat, he's got no shell, and rather than having those outward fangs, he just has larger canines about where a human's would be. Trying to say that these same design changes make that Bowser Jr a different character when it doesn't apply to Roy is just silly.

*blinks*

Okay, I'd agree with you, if he always was wearing the shell and bib and had his hair tied up, but he doesn't. That.. . actually, let me get this last quote in here first:

In my opinion, if you say "hey, this is the Junior to that video game boss," you're saying "hey, this is the Junior to that video game boss." Bowser Koopa Jr is the son of Bowser "King" Koopa, why would you use the full name and add Jr if you weren't calling them the same Jr that already exists?

See, this is 'tag what you know' not 'tag what you see.' If I draw a pikachu and say it's a ditto, it's tagged as a pikachu. If I draw a 10,000 year old fox succubus who looks like she's a 5 years old fox (no wings or horns)... she's tagged as a fox cub. We tag things what they look like.

Bowser Jr. is an official nintendo character. He has an appearance.

This appearance is that he is a koopa with a ponytail/topknot. There are lots of ways his appearance can change: Crossgender, aging him up, in different art styles, as a different species...

post #1451681 post #1451276 post #1312740 post #1180978
post #1154612 post #785512 post #586045 post #571114

But he's got a design.

Now yeah, bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) is stylized--he gets rid of the shell, has a more humanoid body, is older, has muscles... lots of changes. He's BASED on Bowser Jr's design, but he does not LOOK like browser jr, aged up. Too much has changed. He doesn't LOOK like Bowser Jr anymore.

He looks like a generic bowser-styled Koopa.

Look:

post #1426364 post #1446385 post #1259639 post #983014 post #674059 post #685519 post #482342 post #327110 post #14647

He basically just... fits in with the rest. Except! while most koopa OCs are found on 'empty backgrounds' or 'running around the mushroom kingdom, bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) is found... in a modern day earth-like setting.

He DID wear a neckerchief with a face on it, but he ditches it at the end of the first arc,

Really that, the name, the fact that his brother IS roy_koopa, and the neckerchief are basically the only tells that he's any sort of Bowser Jr-variant. and even the name is flimsy as, in the comic, he's called BJ, Koopa, and Jr... not Bowser.

So, even if this guy is saying "hey, this is the Junior to that video game boss," he doesn't look it, it's not part of the story, his father isn't even mentioned... it's, to go back to it, like saying "no, she's just LOOKS 5. She's ACTUALLY 10,000 years old, so she doesn't need the cub tag."

He looks like any other OC "king koopa".

Plus, seriously. The roommates character has 105 posts. Bowser Jr. has 272. We really do not need 1 out of every 3 posts for the cute cub Koopa Kid to be some dude's OC. Or 2 out of every 3 pictures to be a baby Koopa for those who are a fan of the college student character.

But ultimately, that's just my opinion.

I'd say this character is far away enough from the "original" Bowser Jr, both in design as well as in setting, that he deserves his own character tag.

If only to keep him out of the original's searches.

NotMeNotYou said:
I'd say this character is far away enough from the "original" Bowser Jr, both in design as well as in setting, that he deserves his own character tag.

If only to keep him out of the original's searches.

But characters can be displayed in different designs by all sorts of artists, this one looks close enough to Bowser Jr. and is even named Bowser Jr. Two of the three proposed changes (No bib/neckerchief, different hairstyle) are the sorts of things that characters change from day to day, and the other is just him being older.
Plus, as SnowWolf so kindly pointed out, the hair and bib are still there in the earlier pages (just instead of a topknot it's a ponytail), meaning the only difference is being older in a different world.

And when does the setting have any matter in who a character is? Characters get displayed in whatever setting the artist wants. Bowser's in an urban city in post #1338855 and he's still tagged as Bowser. Are you saying that he shouldn't be simply because it's not the Mushroom Kingdom?

It sounds to me like you guys just don't want to have to type in bowser_jr. roommates_(comic) as your search. If this alias were requested the moment the first page went up, it'd be approved without any arguments.

Furrin_Gok said:
But characters can be displayed in different designs by all sorts of artists, this one looks close enough to Bowser Jr. and is even named Bowser Jr. Two of the three proposed changes (No bib/neckerchief, different hairstyle) are the sorts of things that characters change from day to day, and the other is just him being older.
Plus, as SnowWolf so kindly pointed out, the hair and bib are still there in the earlier pages (just instead of a topknot it's a ponytail), meaning the only difference is being older in a different world.

And when does the setting have any matter in who a character is? Characters get displayed in whatever setting the artist wants. Bowser's in an urban city in post #1338855 and he's still tagged as Bowser. Are you saying that he shouldn't be simply because it's not the Mushroom Kingdom?

It sounds to me like you guys just don't want to have to type in bowser_jr. roommates_(comic) as your search. If this alias were requested the moment the first page went up, it'd be approved without any arguments.

Ok here are some arguments for you:

Is Bowser Jr. (game universe):

Confirmed canon Gay? No
Does he have a canon Boyfriend? No
Are the Koopalings Bowser Jr's siblings? No, confirmed by Miyamoto
Does Bowser Jr. attend any sort of college setting? No
Is Bowser Jr.s Dad a Business Tycoon? No

All of these are Canon Character details that the Bowser Junior of the Roommates Universe has.

Now you can give counterpoints to the first two and fourth and fifth points, but I think at the very least the third point is a strong argument for keeping RM Junior's tag.

Miyamoto has gone on record now saying that Bowser Jr is an only child and that the koopalings are not Bowser's kids. Regardless of what fans want to say, this is canon by the creator himself.

If you look at RM Junior, the koopalings ARE his siblings,as set up by Spelunker Sal and Dreamous for their own Roommates Universe. This seperates RM Junior from the game Bowser Jr to a strong degree.

Sparkx_Falcon151 said:
Ok here are some arguments for you:

Is Bowser Jr. (game universe):

Confirmed canon Gay? No
Does he have a canon Boyfriend? No
Are the Koopalings Bowser Jr's siblings? No, confirmed by Miyamoto
Does Bowser Jr. attend any sort of college setting? No
Is Bowser Jr.s Dad a Business Tycoon? No

All "What You Know." After all: Is Mario proven to love Bowser? No, yet if you look into Mario Bowser male/male you'll find a lot of images of the two of them together.

Now you can give counterpoints to the first two and fourth and fifth points, but I think at the very least the third point is a strong argument for keeping RM Junior's tag.

Miyamoto has gone on record now saying that Bowser Jr is an only child and that the koopalings are not Bowser's kids. Regardless of what fans want to say, this is canon by the creator himself.

If you look at RM Junior, the koopalings ARE his siblings,as set up by Spelunker Sal and Dreamous for their own Roommates Universe. This seperates RM Junior from the game Bowser Jr to a strong degree.

No, it doesn't do any such thing at all. A person can say Mario has Yoshi siblings due to being raised by some, that doesn't magically make him a new character.

Furrin_Gok said:
All "What You Know." After all: Is Mario proven to love Bowser? No, yet if you look into Mario Bowser male/male you'll find a lot of images of the two of them together.

No, it doesn't do any such thing at all. A person can say Mario has Yoshi siblings due to being raised by some, that doesn't magically make him a new character.

Mario also doesn't exist in Rm Junior's universe. It's hard to really call the two the same character when a key character in one universe doesn't exist in the other.

To me it just sounds like you don't understand the concept of Fan created OCs or universes.

Furrin_Gok said:
But characters can be displayed in different designs by all sorts of artists, this one looks close enough to Bowser Jr. and is even named Bowser Jr. Two of the three proposed changes (No bib/neckerchief, different hairstyle) are the sorts of things that characters change from day to day, and the other is just him being older.
Plus, as SnowWolf so kindly pointed out, the hair and bib are still there in the earlier pages (just instead of a topknot it's a ponytail), meaning the only difference is being older in a different world.

And when does the setting have any matter in who a character is? Characters get displayed in whatever setting the artist wants. Bowser's in an urban city in post #1338855 and he's still tagged as Bowser. Are you saying that he shouldn't be simply because it's not the Mushroom Kingdom?

It sounds to me like you guys just don't want to have to type in bowser_jr. roommates_(comic) as your search. If this alias were requested the moment the first page went up, it'd be approved without any arguments.

Names don't follow tag what you see, we literally made an exception for that some years ago. Would you argue we should alias this character's name to Bowser Jr if he were called Simon?
Names don't matter for tagging, if he weren't named Bowser Jr you probably wouldn't want to find that guy under the Bowser Jr tag either.

Furrin_Gok said:
But characters can be displayed in different designs by all sorts of artists, this one looks close enough to Bowser Jr. and is even named Bowser Jr. Two of the three proposed changes (No bib/neckerchief, different hairstyle) are the sorts of things that characters change from day to day,

Except that in the canon art, this doesn't happen. in people trying to draw 'bowser jr' as an adult, they keep those traits.

It's.. a basic principal of character design. You make a character, you make them unique. You make sure that they're identifiable and are clearly THAT character.

I could go and find you a dozen generic foxes or wolves or tigers that have bad character design because they are extremely generic. If you find art of them, they don't stand out. No one says "oh! It's foxyfox!" because they're not easily identifiable.

Now.. take yumiki They're dark red--not orange-- and cream/white. They have a darker band of fur near the white/red border on belly, thigh and tail, unique face markings, socks/gloves and white toes. There might be some characters that are close to them, but a drawing of yumiki LOOKS like yumiki.
Take gabu_(silverzar) -- black fur, white markings.chest and belly, but also a little bit of the armpit area, white toes, white eartips, kind of a black stripey bit on their stomach. Most uniquely, a white stripes that goes from nose down their spine that has a ruff/mane effect going on.
Take zoru -- Generic fox: orangy red fur, white belly/tail tip, parts of face, knee/elbow length gloves/socks, and black ears. His biggest marker? he's ALWAYS wearing a gold collar.

If your goal is to age up or change a character to another species or gender or whatever, you've GOT to keep some of the earmarks of the character. --for Jr, most people seem to pick the hair and eyebrows, followed by the bib and general cartoony face style.

And y'know, the roomates character might START similar...ish.. to bowser jr... like, some of those pictures? sure. they could have both character tags on it. But mostly? he looks like a unique character. If the artist's goal was the make "an aged up bowser jr" ... they failed. WHat they made was a unique character who looks related to the bowser family -- but green/yellow skin and red hair is part of most OC designs of that species.

Plus, as SnowWolf so kindly pointed out, the hair and bib are still there in the earlier pages (just instead of a topknot it's a ponytail), meaning the only difference is being older in a different world.

Okay, for those pages, I'd say that he COULD Have both bowser_jr. roommates_(comic and bowser_jr., but he very quickly loses those visual trademarks.

And when does the setting have any matter in who a character is? Characters get displayed in whatever setting the artist wants. Bowser's in an urban city in post #1338855 and he's still tagged as Bowser. Are you saying that he shouldn't be simply because it's not the Mushroom Kingdom?

No, but it does play into it a bit. It's a visual cue.

It sounds to me like you guys just don't want to have to type in bowser_jr. roommates_(comic) as your search. If this alias were requested the moment the first page went up, it'd be approved without any arguments.

Honey, I am one of the reasons you can type things like blue_fur white_belly green_eyes into the search bar. I am *not* afraid of making longer searches with multiple tags. :P

I jsut don't want to, as I said, muck up TWO different characters. They may share a name, but they are visually, conceptually and story-wise, very different things.

If I make a wolf with Twilight Sparkle's colors, name her Twilight, and build a complex and detailed story for her where she becomes a cop in Zootopia, and occasionally writes letters back home to her friends and family, the fact that one of her friends is named Applejack doesn't make my character Twilight Twilight-sparkle-the-pony.

.... On that note, I could make an argument for the following:

bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) alias to Junior_Koopa_(roommates) or [[BJ_Koopa_(roomates) (or something like that anyway-- he's not really called 'bowser' in the comic anywhere that I've seen, though I haven't read all of the side comics in the universe.... just Junior, or BJ, or similar... post #128177 )

Regarding the Twilight wolf: If you name it not just Twilight, but Twilight Sparkle, have her write to her mentor Celestia, practice the magic of friendship, and have an assistant with Spike's colors, even if only for the first chapter, she starts out as twilight_sparkle_(mlp) alternate_species, and then what? You "conveniently" forget that the tag existed despite not being allowed to remove it from the first chapter due to that being what she is, just because she fires her assistant and quits her apprenticeship? No, if you want to make her into an original character, you need to do more than that. For example:

NotMeNotYou said:
Names don't follow tag what you see, we literally made an exception for that some years ago. Would you argue we should alias this character's name to Bowser Jr if he were called Simon?
Names don't matter for tagging, if he weren't named Bowser Jr you probably wouldn't want to find that guy under the Bowser Jr tag either.

A different name makes some progress. If the character were introduced under this other name, then it wouldn't be so "obviously Twilight Sparkle." Same would have gone for Bowser Jr, but that the author of Roommates chose to use Bowser Jr through and through. Name, colors, and even clothing. Dumping the apparel for the sake of "oops, nevermind, totes actually an original character donut steel" shouldn't count for squat if Character Name is TWYK, as it's the same character still.

SnowWolf said:
bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) alias to Junior_Koopa_(roommates) or [[BJ_Koopa_(roomates) (or something like that anyway-- he's not really called 'bowser' in the comic anywhere that I've seen, though I haven't read all of the side comics in the universe.... just Junior, or BJ, or similar... post #128177 )

See, this comment makes sense, or it did, until I did some did some digging. From the first page's source

Spelunker Sal said:
This is the comic that dreamous dreamous and I have been working on called "Roommates." It's about a flamedramon named Gian and Bowser Jr. who end up roomming together after a chance encounter.

Bowser Jr. Stated right then, right there. Jump to the most recent page with the character in it, arc 3 part 3 page 4 (Boy, that's a handful!) and the tags still say "Bowser Jr." And, what's this in the description?

Certain species and names herein © to Nintendo, Namco-Bandai/Toei, and their respective owners.

Certain species, sure, but names? The only character in this page who's name would be the copyright to any of those companies would be Bowser Jr.

Furrin_Gok said:
Regarding the Twilight wolf: If you name it not just Twilight, but Twilight Sparkle, have her write to her mentor Celestia, practice the magic of friendship, and have an assistant with Spike's colors, even if only for the first chapter, she starts out as twilight_sparkle_(mlp) alternate_species, and then what?

Okay, so... character, similar colors, does several actionss with several different related characters related to the original show. again, I'd agree with you there, but the rommmates character does NOT socialize with his father, does NOT live in a castle or plot to defeat mario or anything. He's a dude. Going to college. The evilest thing he does is have dubious_consent sex with his future boyfriend in the first few pages. There's no Bowser senior. There is no huge checklist of Bowser Jr traits that he has and keeps.

There are *some* physical qualities in common with the nintendo character, and for 75% of the posts, those traits are not there and for most of the other posts, they're REALLY subtle.

which is to say, Twilight, writing to her mentor, learning about friendship, with an assistant? Yeah, that character would probably need some discussion and I'd probably advice a "wait and see" approach, especially as chapter 2, 3 and 4 deviate away from the original idea.

You "conveniently" forget that the tag existed despite not being allowed to remove it from the first chapter due to that being what she is, just because she fires her assistant and quits her apprenticeship? No, if you want to make her into an original character, you need to do more than that. For example:
A different name makes some progress. If the character were introduced under this other name, then it wouldn't be so "obviously Twilight Sparkle." Same would have gone for Bowser Jr, but that the author of Roommates chose to use Bowser Jr through and through. Name, colors, and even clothing. Dumping the apparel for the sake of "oops, nevermind, totes actually an original character donut steel" shouldn't count for squat if Character Name is TWYK, as it's the same character still.

Okay, so, let me go ahead and say this. I make creative works. I've drawn stuff. I write stories. I run table top RPGS. If I had a dollar for every time I made a tongue-in-cheek reference to something fandom related, or a silly joke, and it ended up STICKING, I'd be able to buy pizza for game night for a month. Gosh I know personally and first hand the pain of "I wish I hadn't (for example) made him Bowser Jr. I wish I'd made him a dragon or something, but if I change it, it'll be weird, people will question it and I'm already invested in that name and species, even if I'm WAY older than when I started this project, but If I change it, it'll mess everything up."

So, I get this feeling.

This isn't jsut a persona, or an OC. this is a character that's been around since 2008, at least. there's FANS of this. you can't just... change the name of a major character and hand wave it away. You can't just change the species of a character and pretend it didn't happen. This is some dude's DECADE OLD ideas still haunting him. I would basically bet a fair bit of money that the writers/artists have wished (at some point) that they'd picked different names/species for the characters. but you can't change canon. It's there already. People have known his as Bowser Koopa Jr for literally a decade. you... can't change that.

He's already TRIED, by removing the bib, by getting his hair loose most of the time, by basically scraping off as much 'koopa' as he can without changing body coloration.

Compare:

and it's really easy to wave all this off as art style, but this goes down to that whole character design thing.

In the first chapter, Jr's basically an asshole. I almost stopped reading, because I didn't want to read about a rapey/abusive relationship. he LOOKS like an asshole. This is not an accident. It's not just art style because Gian LOOKS timid and fearful.
After that, they softened his design a lot. He looks, now, like a big lunk. Not stupid, but mellow. The 'gentle giant' rather than the 'raging asshole'.

tl;dr - he's done what he can to separate his character from the koopa kid, but some choices are basically artistic and creative suicide.

me:
bowser_koopa_junior_(roommates) alias to Junior_Koopa_(roommates) or [[BJ_Koopa_(roomates) (or something like that anyway-- he's not really called 'bowser' in the comic anywhere that I've seen, though I haven't read all of the side comics in the universe.... just Junior, or BJ, or similar... post #128177 )

See, this comment makes sense, or it did, until I did some did some digging. From the first page's source
Bowser Jr. Stated right then, right there. Jump to the most recent page with the character in it, arc 3 part 3 page 4 (Boy, that's a handful!) and the tags still say "Bowser Jr." And, what's this in the description?
Certain species, sure, but names? The only character in this page who's name would be the copyright to any of those companies would be Bowser Jr.

Yes, because for aformentioend above reasons, changing the character's name would be suicide because those are his search terms.

But in the ACTUAL COMIC...

First usage of name: post #549058 "Good one, Jr.
Junior introducing himself: post #549060 "I'm your roommate. Name's Jr."
Random mention of name, Gian to Junior: post #33802 "You're so cheesy sometimes, J."
Store dude: post #36125 "Mr. Koopa"
Coach: post #46615 "Koopa!"
Gian,m thinking to himself post #124669 "Same ol' Junior."
Gian, introducing: post #128177 "this is Junior, my boyfriend."

Anyonereading or tagging probably thinks of him as "Junior."

Yeah, his name is Bowser Koopa Jr, but that doesn't make him the same character as Bowser Jr.

and that's the point.

SnowWolf said:
Okay, so... character, similar colors, does several actionss with several different related characters related to the original show. again, I'd agree with you there, but the rommmates character does NOT socialize with his father, does NOT live in a castle or plot to defeat mario or anything. He's a dude. Going to college. The evilest thing he does is have dubious_consent sex with his future boyfriend in the first few pages. There's no Bowser senior. There is no huge checklist of Bowser Jr traits that he has and keeps.

There are *some* physical qualities in common with the nintendo character, and for 75% of the posts, those traits are not there and for most of the other posts, they're REALLY subtle.

which is to say, Twilight, writing to her mentor, learning about friendship, with an assistant? Yeah, that character would probably need some discussion and I'd probably advice a "wait and see" approach, especially as chapter 2, 3 and 4 deviate away from the original idea.

Okay, so, let me go ahead and say this. I make creative works. I've drawn stuff. I write stories. I run table top RPGS. If I had a dollar for every time I made a tongue-in-cheek reference to something fandom related, or a silly joke, and it ended up STICKING, I'd be able to buy pizza for game night for a month. Gosh I know personally and first hand the pain of "I wish I hadn't (for example) made him Bowser Jr. I wish I'd made him a dragon or something, but if I change it, it'll be weird, people will question it and I'm already invested in that name and species, even if I'm WAY older than when I started this project, but If I change it, it'll mess everything up."

So, I get this feeling.

This isn't jsut a persona, or an OC. this is a character that's been around since 2008, at least. there's FANS of this. you can't just... change the name of a major character and hand wave it away. You can't just change the species of a character and pretend it didn't happen. This is some dude's DECADE OLD ideas still haunting him. I would basically bet a fair bit of money that the writers/artists have wished (at some point) that they'd picked different names/species for the characters. but you can't change canon. It's there already. People have known his as Bowser Koopa Jr for literally a decade. you... can't change that.

He's already TRIED, by removing the bib, by getting his hair loose most of the time, by basically scraping off as much 'koopa' as he can without changing body coloration.

If people are so opposed to the dropping of the name "Bowser" to just change the name everywhere to Junior, then they are interested in the character as Bowser Jr, not some oc. That over all these years he's left "Bowser" on it means it is Bowser Jr.

SnowWolf said:
Bowser Koopa Junior is, in my opinion, a Koopa with an unfortunately specific name that happens to be the same as a cannon character's name.

If I want pictures of bowser_jr. I don't want pictures of that guy. Except maybe in that one halloween picture.

Which means most people would think differently than this.

Furrin_Gok said:
If people are so opposed to the dropping of the name "Bowser" to just change the name everywhere to Junior, then they are interested in the character as Bowser Jr, not some oc. That over all these years he's left "Bowser" on it means it is Bowser Jr.
Which means most people would think differently than this.

... I don't mean that they tried it and changed their minds, I'm saying it that it's kind of a proven thing, as learned over decades of marketing, television, movies etc. It can work, but MAN is it a risky and bad idea.

Also, you over all basic argument here kinda sucks, man. You're skipping over 9/10ths of my argument to latch on the one place where you can gain traction and totally ignoring everything else. That's not really a good way to 'prove' your argument, sooo...

You are stating to me that if you wanted to see more art of post #1389768 that you would be *happy* and *pleased* if you got pictures of post #1411687 ?

If the answer is yes, then you should also be happy with post #482342 post #674059 post #1259639 because the design is BASICALLY the same thing. I don't know what their names are, but it doesn't matter because they could ALL be Bowser Jr, right?

Or Bowser himself. Maybe we should tag all of them Bowser?

why not just alias all possible koopa characters to koopa because after all people apparently dont give a shit about what character it is or what they actually look like, only thing that matters is that its these lizard people with vaguely similar color schemes [/sarcasm]