Implicating satyr → hybrid
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Reason:

Satyrs are per definition hybrids between goats/horses and humans.

EDIT: The tag implication satyr -> hybrid (forum #247963) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

I wouldn’t suggest to hybrid. A satyr would be at least an animal_humanoid, as we do not tag human for anything that isn’t 100% exact human (remember, we delete posts that’re human only, but allow humanoids that otherwise aren’t human). It is then either to equine_humanoid or goat_humanoid, but since there are two different types we need to go down a rung on the latter and just keep it to animal humanoid.

The animal humanoid tag is used instead of hybrid if the character or species would only look human. Hybrid isn’t used for humans, but it would be used if it were any other form of humanoid or other species, like elf or an actual goat/horse hybrid.

So satyr —> animal humanoid?

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
So satyr —> animal humanoid?

Yes. They are at least always an animal humanoid of some context.

Siral_Exan said:
Yes. They are at least always an animal humanoid of some context.

Well, no.
Because it tends to also get tagged for anthros, such as in post #1397733, post #1377534, and post #1305131.

Can't alias or implicate it anywhere for now.

Genjar said:
Well, no.
Because it tends to also get tagged for anthros, such as in post #1397733, post #1377534, and post #1305131.

Can't alias or implicate it anywhere for now.

A satyr is very specially a half-goat half-human hybrid. Your linked are mistagged and should be cleaned out before implicating. In post #1377534, what is the difference between it and an actual anthro goat?

Actually, to rephrase: then should we start cleaning it out now or should we continue to discuss? Did you mean “no” or “not now”?

Siral_Exan said:
Actually, to rephrase: then should we start cleaning it out now or should we continue to discuss? Did you mean “no” or “not now”?

In this case, I wouldn't do anything without admin input. Some of them were in favor of using satyr as a bodytype tag (similar to how taur is used) rather than as a species tag. Because the usage of 'satyr' has got muddled in the modern media, and is no longer limited to human/goats.

We do have the new split_form tag now, which in my opinion means that we don't necessarily need to use satyr as a form tag, but I'm not gonna touch it without permission.

I like the idea of being able to use satyr as a body type because it's specific. The tag split_form explicitly covers taurs and chimeras, so it's not specific. If I say I want pictures of feline satyrs it's pretty clear what I mean. But the satyr tag has already had all non-hooved pictures removed (and not tagged as anything else to replace it, so good luck finding them) so it's an irrelevant discussion.

As far as aliasing to humanoid goes there are a few images I think are definitely grey area:
post #14651 Canine anthro with goat legs and visible split.
post #1276440 Squirrel with goat legs and visible split.
post #962824 I'm... really not sure what to call this one.

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
So satyr —> animal humanoid?

Noooooooooo

Satyr's kind of a mess at the moment, but I've got my eyes on it.

I"m not sure what *I* want to do with it yet, but, AS Genjar's said, it's used for a lot of related things that are not human based. After all, a wolf-with-goat-feet is probably a satyr too. By current definition.

Kinda.

sort of.

Actually the Roman satyr were depicted as a man with horse ears and tails. Sometimes horse legs.

FAUN, from Greece, were men's body's, legs, horns, tail of a goat.

While filling a similar nice--wild woodlands beings representing fertility, they were rather different. Satyr were generally more lustful but wise. Faun were more foolish, more aestetically pleasing.

Of course, this is only relevant in that faun is generally more correct for the website thatn satyr is... c_c but tha'ts beside the point :)

Hm.

I still don't know what I want to do with satyr... I'm not sure split_form is the answer, but they shouldn't be hybrid--satyr are (like... chimera..) a unique species (like mermaids, and minotaur and centaur and others.)

Satyr might need cleaning up? but I'm not sure what the best idea is right now. (to note, from my persepective I see 4ish types of posts in satyr: satyr (post #1389636), satyr, but with something other than human/goat (post #1365442 post #1348888 post #1045609), actually deer anthro: (post #1326623 ) and 'why is this tagged a satyr, it's totally somethign else.' ( post #1192101 post #1159956 post #1008500 )

A lot of this will probably depend on what is done with *taur ... (I mean.. satyr_(bodytype) is clunky, but it .. could work.)

I dunno. It's a long discussion.

I may go through and start tagging some of the more satyr-y satyrs with satyr_(mythology) since it won't hurt anything to set aside some of the posts. They can always be tucked back in with the others like I did with chimera_(mythology), but satyr's a little more tricky, I think.

I like satyr as a tag though. I mean, split_form hooves will also catch every centaur, deertaur and other hoofitaur too.

regsmutt said:
post #962824 I'm... really not sure what to call this one.

WEll that one is a deer and.. . uh... what the fuck even. this is not okay.

regsmutt said:
I like the idea of being able to use satyr as a body type because it's specific. The tag split_form explicitly covers taurs and chimeras, so it's not specific. If I say I want pictures of feline satyrs it's pretty clear what I mean. But the satyr tag has already had all non-hooved pictures removed (and not tagged as anything else to replace it, so good luck finding them) so it's an irrelevant discussion.

The more I think about it, the more my joking statements about human_top_body and goat_bottom_body sound good :P

.... maybe we should do something like split it up into satyr_(mythology) and satyr_(archetype) or body type or penotype or body structure or something. Basically: here are satyr/faun by the traditionalish mythological meaning, and here are those who have some nature of split_form around the middle, commonly, but not always associated with hooves.

I dunno, man.

SnowWolf said:
Noooooooooo

Satyr's kind of a mess at the moment, but I've got my eyes on it.

I"m not sure what *I* want to do with it yet, but, AS Genjar's said, it's used for a lot of related things that are not human based. After all, a wolf-with-goat-feet is probably a satyr too. By current definition.

Kinda.

sort of.

Actually the Roman satyr were depicted as a man with horse ears and tails. Sometimes horse legs.

FAUN, from Greece, were men's body's, legs, horns, tail of a goat.

While filling a similar nice--wild woodlands beings representing fertility, they were rather different. Satyr were generally more lustful but wise. Faun were more foolish, more aestetically pleasing.

Of course, this is only relevant in that faun is generally more correct for the website thatn satyr is... c_c but tha'ts beside the point :)

Hm.

I still don't know what I want to do with satyr... I'm not sure split_form is the answer, but they shouldn't be hybrid--satyr are (like... chimera..) a unique species (like mermaids, and minotaur and centaur and others.)

Satyr might need cleaning up? but I'm not sure what the best idea is right now. (to note, from my persepective I see 4ish types of posts in satyr: satyr (post #1389636), satyr, but with something other than human/goat (post #1365442 post #1348888 post #1045609), actually deer anthro: (post #1326623 ) and 'why is this tagged a satyr, it's totally somethign else.' ( post #1192101 post #1159956 post #1008500 )

A lot of this will probably depend on what is done with *taur ... (I mean.. satyr_(bodytype) is clunky, but it .. could work.)

I dunno. It's a long discussion.

I may go through and start tagging some of the more satyr-y satyrs with satyr_(mythology) since it won't hurt anything to set aside some of the posts. They can always be tucked back in with the others like I did with chimera_(mythology), but satyr's a little more tricky, I think.

I like satyr as a tag though. I mean, split_form hooves will also catch every centaur, deertaur and other hoofitaur too.

What has taur and satyr got to do with each other? One has got twice as many legs as the other!

SnowWolf said:
I"m not sure what *I* want to do with it yet, but, AS Genjar's said, it's used for a lot of related things that are not human based. After all, a wolf-with-goat-feet is probably a satyr too. By current definition.

Yeah, I think that was the original suggestion, to tag it for those.
Though some wanted the usage to be different (such as 'any biped with animal legs and mismatched torso'), so I'm fuzzy on the current status of this tag.

Actually the Roman satyr were depicted as a man with horse ears and tails. Sometimes horse legs.

That was part of the argument. If it's only tagged for goat-legged characters, then it excludes the original satyrs..

And in modern media, creatures with deer legs but human torso are sometimes called faun. Someone suggested that it's because it sounds like 'fawn'.

I may go through and start tagging some of the more satyr-y satyrs with satyr_(mythology) since it won't hurt anything to set aside some of the posts. They can always be tucked back in with the others like I did with chimera_(mythology), but satyr's a little more tricky, I think.

Could be worth a shot.
Adding the chimera_(mythology) tag was a good compromise: those who want to search specifically for the mythological ones can use the new tag, and those who just use it for all chimeric creatures can use the base chimera tag.

Maybe the same could work for satyr.

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
What has taur and satyr got to do with each other? One has got twice as many legs as the other!

Basically: taur comes from centaur. Furries have made all kinds of other taurs.. There's a bit of a ponder over here: forum #247842 about if we should tag deertaur or deer taur... taur is, effectively, a body type tag, like feral, or anthro. one opinion goes that if you search for 'taur' and a species--say, squirrel... you'll get all of the squirreltaur pictures out there. On the other hand, the other opinion is that squirrel_taur allows for greater precision (no wolf_taur talking with squirrels)... but relies on people tagging it right, and allows for people to make messy and redundant tags like cat_taur, feline_taur, felitaur.

The similarity is in, basically, that a satyr could be considered a body type tag too, and could use it in the same way. :)

Genjar said:
Yeah, I think that was the original suggestion, to tag it for those.
Though some wanted the usage to be different (such as 'any biped with animal legs and mismatched torso'), so I'm fuzzy on the current status of this tag.

The current status is "It has hooves so.. uh.. SATYR.. succubuses are satyr too, right?? I have hooves and stand on two feet! SATYR! I'm a satyr! your'e a satyr! we're all satyr! WHOOOOOOOO!!"

That was part of the argument. If it's only tagged for goat-legged characters, then it excludes the original satyrs..

Could be worth a shot.
Adding the chimera_(mythology) tag was a good compromise: those who want to search specifically for the mythological ones can use the new tag, and those who just use it for all chimeric creatures can use the base chimera tag.

Maybe the same could work for satyr.

I'll probably get started on that sometime soon, then. It shouldn't take too long. :)

SnowWolf said:
The current status is "It has hooves so.. uh.. SATYR.. succubuses are satyr too, right?? I have hooves and stand on two feet! SATYR! I'm a satyr! your'e a satyr! we're all satyr! WHOOOOOOOO!!"

I’m a zaptyr!

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
I’m a zaptyr!

OMG so cool! CAN I MAKE ONE TOO? XD

Nah, I love the creativity of people making up their own species (what is art for, if not creativity?), but man it can make it challenging for tagging.

SnowWolf said:
OMG so cool! CAN I MAKE ONE TOO? XD

Nah, I love the creativity of people making up their own species (what is art for, if not creativity?), but man it can make it challenging for tagging.

Now I kind of wish I could draw (one):/ But but the only thing I can draw is two-point perspective (direct translation from swedish, probably doesn’t make any sense XP), a technique for drawing quboids, which is not the most common shape of a furry:p

Edit: currently picturing a floofy cuboid XP

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
Now I kind of wish I could draw (one):/ But but the only thing I can draw is two-point perspective (direct translation from swedish, probably doesn’t make any sense XP), a technique for drawing quboids, which is not the most common shape of a furry:p

Edit: currently picturing a floofy cuboid XP

Fluffy cuboids are great XD and 2 point perspective is still a skill :) Art is a talent grown, not innately born :D

SnowWolf said:
Fluffy cuboids are great XD and 2 point perspective is still a skill :) Art is a talent grown, not innately born :D

poof cuboid ”no posts matched your search” :(

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
poof cuboid ”no posts matched your search” :(

Just gotta get the weighted_companion_cube into it's jacket... :)

The tag implication satyr -> hybrid (forum #247963) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.