Topic: Tag Alias: head_in_cleavage -> head_between_breasts

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Aliasing head_in_cleavage → head_between_breasts
Link to alias

Reason:

head_between_breasts covers more possible situations

These tags mean practically the same thing, but situations like this:

post #1196471

can be covered with head_between_breasts but not head_in_cleavage...we should favor the more versatile tag. Plus head_between_breasts flows more naturally with the much larger between_breasts tag.

Also keep in mind that when a head is face-first between breasts breast_smother should be used. Both these tags need cleaning up in that regard, but it would be easier to watch one tag than to watch two.

EDIT: The tag alias head_in_cleavage -> head_between_breasts (forum #239606) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

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Actually, 'head_in_cleavage' is used in such way that I can't see which other possible situations it wouldn't cover if compared with 'head_between_breasts', indeed the variations of content type under both tags are practically non-existent. I would suggest simply inverting the alias due to the popularity of the first tag.

In cases like exemplified, the participation of multiple characters is considerably different from what is typically seen under both tags, in such way that it probably should be under a different tag. Perhaps 'breast_smother would work, since it already encompasses similar instances (e.g. post #1287780, post #725142, post #767663).
If the aforementioned tag isn't the most appropriate one, then a completely new tag would be necessary.

Note: Regardless of which tag is chosen as the main one, it should imply 'breasts'.

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O16 said:
I would suggest simply inverting the alias due to the popularity of the first tag.

Neither tag is very popular. breast_smother has 69 entries and breast_smother has 27. Also you need to consider that most head_between_cleavage posts should actually be tagged as breast_smother instead.

Anyways, I don't think popularity really enters the equation here...when one is aliased to the other the popularity won't matter anymore...anyone using one will have it aliased to the other so...moot point?

O16 said:
it probably should be under a different tag.

It's so rare it doesn't deserve its own tag, especially when "head_between_breasts" describes the situation so perfectly.

O16 said:
Perhaps breast_smother would work

"smothering" refers to cutting off air...a character has to be head-first in breasts for the breast_smother tag to be used, that is not the case in this image.

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Dyrone said:
Neither tag is very popular. breast_smother has 69 entries and breast_smother has 27.

... Wait, what?

Dyrone said:
[...] Also you need to consider that most head_between_cleavage posts should actually be tagged as breast_smother instead.

Those tags aren't mutually exclusive, so a image can perfectly involve both.

Dyrone said:
Anyways, I don't think popularity really enters the equation here...when one is aliased to the other the popularity won't matter anymore...anyone using one will have it aliased to the other so...moot point?

At alias discussions, how popular one tag is in comparation to the other commonly is considered a relevant factor.

Dyrone said:
It's so rare it doesn't deserve its own tag, especially when "head_between_breasts" describes the situation so perfectly.

I) Rarity isn't the only factor that influences this process, tag creation also is a common resource for sorting content.

II) A head between two breasts of the same pair is considerably different from a head between two (or more) pairs of breasts from different characters.

The simple fact of this phrase technically being applicable to both situations doesn't means that much; for example: 'hands_behind_head' is used when a character puts its own hands behind its head, but not for when a character puts its hands behind another character's head.

Dyrone said:
"smothering" refers to cutting off air...a character has to be head-first in breasts for the breast_smother tag to be used, that is not the case in this image.

That is one of the reasons for me to have cogitated the use of a new tag instead.

Note 1: I chose those posts as examples because they already were under 'breast_smother'.

Note 2: In common speech 'smothering' is also used for when someone is closely surrounded and/or covered by something, rather than actual suffocation.

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O16 said:
... Wait, what?

The numbers changed because I changed many of the posts to breast_smother when applicable.

O16 said:
Those tags aren't mutually exclusive, so a image can perfectly involve both.

If you wished to mix them then EVERY SINGLE BREAST SMOTHER IMAGE EVER should have both, and they don't. Earlier you appealed to popularity? Well in this case the people have spoken that they should not be mixed.

Or how about you go and try to make an implication for breast_smother -> head_between_breasts because that's an entirely different discussion over whether or not they should be mixed.

O16 said:
At alias discussions, how popular one tag is in comparation to the other commonly is considered a relevant factor.

Maybe when the two tags have a large popularity disparity, but in that is not the case here, as I have said before. If two tags are roughly the same in popularity you shouldn't even bring it up because it's not a factor.

O16 said:
That is one of the reasons for me to have cogitated the use of a new tag instead.

Great...then propose one...I noticed you haven't even tired to think up a name, better to just complain about how there should be a new tag than actually try to make one.

O16 said:
Note 1: I chose those posts as examples because they already were under 'breast_smother'.

Then they should be tagged with head_between_breasts instead.

O16 said:
In common speech 'smothering' is also used for when someone is closely surrounded and/or covered by something, rather than actual suffocation.

Whether or not the character is being literally smothered by the breasts is a useful delineation in this case because it usually implies the act is more extreme/forceful than simply resting your head between breasts, it's probably why the breast_smother tag is so much more popular than either of the tags we're discussing here.

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Dyrone said:
The numbers changed because I changed many of the posts to breast_smother when applicable.

Reread the excerpt in on your penultimate post, it makes no sense, looks like you mixed up the tags or something.

Dyrone said:
If you wished to mix them then EVERY SINGLE BREAST SMOTHER IMAGE EVER should have both, and they don't. Earlier you appealed to popularity? Well in this case the people have spoken that they should not be mixed.

Or how about you go and try to make an implication for breast_smother -> head_between_breasts because that's an entirely different discussion over whether or not they should be mixed.

I just said those tags aren't mutually exclusive, in other words: there are some instance in which both tags are applicable.

e.g.post #1188371

I didn't meant that all the possible mistags you mentioned were irrelevant, also said nothing about implication (or anything similar) regarding this subject.

Dyrone said:
Maybe when the two tags have a large popularity disparity, but in that is not the case here, as I have said before. If two tags are roughly the same in popularity you shouldn't even bring it up because it's not a factor.

I considered it significant, because this disparity is proportionally big (~200% now and ~300% before you have made the changes).

Dyrone said:
Great...then propose one...I noticed you haven't even tired to think up a name, better to just complain about how there should be a new tag than actually try to make one.

I simply brought up the idea to see what were the opinions regarding the subject, before discussing a name.

If you really are so interested in seeing a name suggestion, the best thing I have thought to date is 'breast_sandwich'.

Dyrone said:
Then they should be tagged with head_between_breasts instead.

See below.¹

Dyrone said:
Whether or not the character is being literally smothered by the breasts is a useful delineation in this case because it usually implies the act is more extreme/forceful than simply resting your head between breasts, it's probably why the breast_smother tag is so much more popular than either of the tags we're discussing here.

Many posts under 'breast_smother' don't show literal smothering.

p.s. I am not sure if understood you well.

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¹ And what about the justifications I gave earlier about why those cases (two or more sets of breasts involved) should been kept separated?

I) Rarity isn't the only factor that influences this process, tag creation also is a common resource for sorting content.

II) A head between two breasts of the same pair is considerably different from a head between two (or more) pairs of breasts from different characters.

The simple fact of this phrase technically being applicable to both situations doesn't means that much; for example: 'hands_behind_head' is used when a character puts its own hands behind its head, but not for when a character puts its hands behind another character's head.

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