Many of the posts which show a hyper_penis, for example post #859518 are still tagged with big_penis when clearly it is hyper.
Big penis should be reserved for posts like post #857422
And huge_penis for posts in between such as post #847440

Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't posts be tagged with just one of those tags. In which case, I think we need to sort them all out?

I don't think there's much that can be done about it.
All size tags are too subjective to keep sorted. Not just the penis sizes, but also the weight categories, breast sizes, etc.

I've found that relative comparisons work the best (longer than the character's forearm, breasts larger than the character's head, etc), so maybe rewriting the wikis with such descriptions would help. But not everyone pays attention to the wiki.

In this case, it might be wisest to prune down the categories by merging big_penis and huge_penis. That'd result in a rather broad category, but at least it'd be far easier to tag if there were only small, average, big, and hyper size categories.

In any case, the current wiki entries need work. Big_penis is listed as 20-50cm, and if 50cm (20 inch) should be tagged as big_penis... then huge must be larger, and hyper even more massive than that.

Genjar said:
I don't think there's much that can be done about it.
All size tags are too subjective to keep sorted. Not just the penis sizes, but also the weight categories, breast sizes, etc.

I've found that relative comparisons work the best (longer than the character's forearm, breasts larger than the character's head, etc), so maybe rewriting the wikis with such descriptions would help. But not everyone pays attention to the wiki.

In this case, it might be wisest to prune down the categories by merging big_penis and huge_penis. That'd result in a rather broad category, but at least it'd be far easier to tag if there were only small, average, big, and hyper size categories.

In any case, the current wiki entries need work. Big_penis is listed as 20-50cm, and if 50cm (20 inch) should be tagged as big_penis... then huge must be larger, and hyper even more massive than that.

So should we remove the huge_penis tag and just leave big and hyper as you suggested? If so, I will request that big_penis be aliased to hyper_penis. Hopefully that should clean up the tags a bit, and if I see any, I will remove the appropriate tag when both are used.

I tried to alias the huge_penis tag to hyper_penis but I couldn't as apparently the hyper_penis tag is already aliased? I'm confused

Here's the way I see it:

- All hyper is huge
- All huge is big

It makes perfectly intuitive sense to me that users must search huge penis -hyper penis because this is akin to saying (to a person) "I want pictures of huge dicks, but not hyper" or "I want pictures of big but not huge dicks".

It also better supports the eyeballing and subjectivity required to agree on which of these tags best fits a given character design.

FibS said:
Here's the way I see it:

- All hyper is huge
- All huge is big

It makes perfectly intuitive sense to me that users must search huge penis -hyper penis because this is akin to saying (to a person) "I want pictures of huge dicks, but not hyper" or "I want pictures of big but not huge dicks".

It also better supports the eyeballing and subjectivity required to agree on which of these tags best fits a given character design.

I understand, but what would that mean in terms of aliasing etc

404dotexe said:
I understand, but what would that mean in terms of aliasing etc

It's my understanding that aliases are tags that are 100% equal in all circumstances while implications are for hierarchy things.

Given e621's "formal" tag aesthetic (e.g. autofellatio instead of selfsuck) and practical habit of ignoring unlikely tag wording, I'd personally guess the system would be:

• large_penis
• alias: big_penis
• alias: big_dick
• alias: big_cock
• (phrases like large_cock are less likely to be tagged)
• huge_penis
• alias: huge_dick
• alias: huge_cock
• Implies large_penis
• hyper_penis
• alias: hyper_dick
• alias: hyper_cock
• Implies huge_penis (which implies large_penis)

Genjar said:
I've found that relative comparisons work the best (longer than the character's forearm, breasts larger than the character's head, etc), so maybe rewriting the wikis with such descriptions would help.

...

In any case, the current wiki entries need work. Big_penis is listed as 20-50cm, and if 50cm (20 inch) should be tagged as big_penis ...

Relative comparison to size of (other) body parts seems to be the best compromise, as you say. Trying to assign units of measurement to classify something like penis length is absurd, taking into account the variety of species that call e6 home; if a 'normal' penis size for a draft horse would be considered 'big' for a pony, what would it be called attached to a feral field mouse?

Genjar said:
In this case, it might be wisest to prune down the categories by merging big_penis and huge_penis. That'd result in a rather broad category, but at least it'd be far easier to tag if there were only small, average, big, and hyper size categories.

An interesting though, yet I think that would make blacklisting less effective in many cases, or worse, sometimes nearly useless.

An example would be mine own: I have hyper blacklisted as a generality, and I have wrestled back and forth with huge_breasts (currently blocked); if a character has breasts larger than their head, I just do not care to see it.

If we were to parse the huge_breats category as you suggest, I would be left having to blacklist big_breasts instead, which would block out roughly half of the images here featuring boobs, whereas the way my settings are now, it is a more comfortable 10%

+1 for merging huge_penis with big_penis. I was actually considering this as an option the other day and I think it is worth considering.

-1 for doing this to breasts. Unlike penis, breasts are actually fairly well tagged.

Remember, just because we do something to one set of tags doesn't mean we have to do it to another.

-1 for merging huge_penis with big_penis. Let's not put all the posts on one tag. Some peeps want to see penises bigger than big but smaller than hyper

Fine, we won't alias. I still think the tags need cleaning up though, making sure that only one tag is used on pictures where only one size penis is visible.

parasprite said:
+1 for merging huge_penis with big_penis. I was actually considering this as an option the other day and I think it is worth considering.

-1 for doing this to breasts. Unlike penis, breasts are actually fairly well tagged.

I would almost argue it being because of the wiki description @Genjar mentioned earlier.
When I look at *_breasts wiki, I see really well constructed about what size tag to use in certain situation, where with *_penis I only see really general guideline, especially with big_penis:
"Generally, a penis of above average size."
...OK, everyone has pretty subjective opinion about avarage penis size, especially on furry porn containing site, where big_breasts:
"Pretty big, but still smaller than the bearer's head."
Now that's more accurate, I can just look at image, if breasts are large and head size is larger breasts size, then add tag.

So instead have wiki for penis to have same standartization that breasts already have. After that there's guideline how to tag stuff and users (hopefully) catch on with it.

One thing that would be maybe nice though is to use long and thick tags along or instead.

Sharp_Coyote said:
If we were to parse the huge_breasts category as you suggest, I would be left having to blacklist big_breasts instead, which would block out roughly half of the images here featuring boobs, whereas the way my settings are now, it is a more comfortable 10%

I never suggested aliasing the breast tags. Those are easier to tag than the penis sizes, and are tagged more consistently. Maybe because it's easier to figure out the relative size of breasts (since the torso is usually visible), or maybe it's because of the wiki. Possibly both.

Standardizing the penis size wiki entries is worth a try, but I don't expect that to actually solve the problem. The difference between a 'large', 'huge' and 'hyper' penises is not as easy to tag as it is for breasts. Eespecially in case of faceless_males, etc. Breasts also tend to be of same shape, whereas penii come in all shapes, forms and girths, making it difficult to measure those. Are overtly long but thin penii hyper? Are short but thick ones big? Etc.

Oh, and then there's the various states of erection. If there's two penises of same size, one flaccid and one erect, are those tagged as the same size? Even though in real life the flaccid penis would obviously be the larger one. Since it's going to be even larger when erect.

If ya-don't know what tag to use for your penis then just use "Big_penis", because everyone loves a good-old big penis!

Bj007pro said:
If ya-don't know what tag to use for your penis then just use "Big_penis", because everyone loves a good-old big penis!

Except for those who don't and blacklist it.

Qmannn said:
Since we're on the subject of differences between the breast and penis tags, is there a reason why the breast tags imply every size beneath them while the penis tags and morbidly_obese don't for every smaller tag outside of small_penis and slightly_chubby, respectively?

slightly_chubby isn't considered overweight here.

I have no idea why we started to imply the breast/penis tags in a chain, and I'm even less sure if I should just go ahead and standardize them, or split them back up.

At least with them in a chain it's easy to see which is the larger size of two tags :V

Genjar said:
I never suggested aliasing the breast tags. Those are easier to tag than the penis sizes, and are tagged more consistently. Maybe because it's easier to figure out the relative size of breasts (since the torso is usually visible), or maybe it's because of the wiki. Possibly both.

Okay, re-read and see you only mention eliminating 'huge' from the penis family of tags.

For now, I am on the HK9 train, and would rather see the penis-tag-tree wikis re-written more like those of breasts to see if people respond to better guidelines (like a proportion-to-body-part guideline, such as 'reaching knee length' or 'as long as forearm' for huge).

Hyper still needs to remain 'beyond any possible natural occurrence' size, yet can still fit this scheme with something like 'able to perform autofellatio while standing straight', and beyond.

At the very least, +1 to stand pat with the breasts tagging.

For size reference, I think the best idea is to find several images with the same otherwise-proportioned male character but different sizes of penis.

Some artists naturally do this when making penis expansion series -- the rest of the image doesn't change at all while the genitals change size.

parasprite said:
I have no idea why we started to imply the breast/penis tags in a chain, and I'm even less sure if I should just go ahead and standardize them, or split them back up.

well i find the chain thingy useful because this way i can blacklist all larger than average breasts with one tag instead of having to write down all breast size tags from big to hyper. and i guess this is exactly why they have this chain implication in the first place.

like they could be split up and it could actually be useful because it would make it easier to search for breasts of specific size. but then we should probably come up with a blanket tag for larger than average breasts

For all due to good reason. - Blacklisting doesn't work sometimes because people often don't put the correct tags in for the picture. - So if someone blacklists small_penis, they are still have a chance to find pictures that has a character with a small penis, because the tag didn't get added to the list, and then they mone about it in the comment section below because their dicks-f**ks and then every downvotes the comment.

Bj007pro said:
Blacklisting doesn't work sometimes because people often don't put the correct tags in for the picture.

True enough, yet that is not a reason to not fix the wikis associated to the, erm, bits in question. As someone who has an ever-expanding blacklist (I will catch you one day Mutisija ), all I can do is tag images appropriately, and move on.

The goal of this forum is to continually improve e6 tagging mechanics, and the tagging community as a whole; the best way to do so is the sharing of information and ideas.

Rather than bitch and moan about bad tagging, I wish more members would come here for just this sort of discussion. There is also something to be said for a polite PM to users who are tagging incorrectly, vs. calling them out in the comments section.

Sharp_Coyote said:
There is also something to be said for a polite PM to users who are tagging incorrectly, vs. calling them out in the comments section.

You can PM?! WHERE?!

Bj007pro said:
You can PM?! WHERE?!

open the user's profile and theres little "send message" button right above their avatar

Mutisija said:
open the user's profile and theres little "send message" button right above their avatar

Funny how the one who tells me is the one Sharp Coyote was going to catch. .-.

(Thanks)