Was curious about how you guys would feel about incest , cause my buddy told me a pretty funny story . Long story short he fucked a guy that turns out to be his step brother. so that story sparked the question on what people think about incest? Is it wrong? would you do it? why not? etc...

I don't see anything inherently wrong with incest. There are some things that can be wrong about it. For instance, between an adult and a child, but in that case the problem isn't an incest problem, it's a child molestation problem. I really shouldn't even need to mention this caveat, but people sometimes act like if you don't mention obvious exceptions that it means you support them.

Another issue is with genetic diversity and health issues of children from such unions, but that is easily resolvable: birth control, homosexual unions, and perhaps genetic screening / testing. I don't know what the rates are in reality. I've heard that the problem tends to be for multi-generational incestuous relationships more than one-off events, so maybe genetic screening and testing would be enough to solve the issue in many cases.

As for would I do it? Nope. I'm an exclusive zoophile. Don't even need to consider it. Humans just don't do anything for me.

Clawdragons said:
I don't see anything inherently wrong with incest. There are some things that can be wrong about it. For instance, between an adult and a child, but in that case the problem isn't an incest problem, it's a child molestation problem. I really shouldn't even need to mention this caveat, but people sometimes act like if you don't mention obvious exceptions that it means you support them.

Another issue is with genetic diversity and health issues of children from such unions, but that is easily resolvable: birth control, homosexual unions, and perhaps genetic screening / testing. I don't know what the rates are in reality. I've heard that the problem tends to be for multi-generational incestuous relationships more than one-off events, so maybe genetic screening and testing would be enough to solve the issue in many cases.

As for would I do it? Nope. I'm an exclusive zoophile. Don't even need to consider it. Humans just don't do anything for me.

As someone who works with children who are victims of incest, etc.. You disturb me.

Patchi said:
As someone who works with children who are victims of incest, etc.. You disturb me.

I don't get why. I said I don't support adult-child incest, for the obvious reason of that would be child molestation.

Did... you think I was saying the opposite? If not, I really don't get what about what I said disturbed you.

This is one of those topics that won't get too many honest replies.

Just a bit of background: I have two younger sisters who I lived with up until around last year. We've never had any sexual encounters and don't intend to. One sister and I are very open about private matters - at first it was because she had no one else to turn to for relationship advice or drug questions, and later we just became comfortable enough with each other to discuss these things. I'm just one of the coolest older brothers anyone could ask for.

When I was much younger and beginning puberty, a slightly older cousin did convince me to experiment a bit. However, it was a short-lived phase which we both outgrew. I'm not even sure if that's an incest issue, or a kids-being-kids issue, or even a my-cousin-is-an-asshole issue, but it did happen.

From what I've read, children raised together in proximity tend to not be attracted to their peers. Maybe you can find articles on that.

But as for the morality of incest? As with every sexual matter, consent is a very strong factor to consider. Another issue is incest babies, which is wrong. I've seen the result of that sort of union and it isn't right to put a kid through that experience.

That's pretty much it. I don't have a strong opinion on it unless it results in a kid or the incestual act is forced in some way.

Knotty_Curls said:
This is one of those topics that won't get too many honest replies.

Just a bit of background: I have two younger sisters who I lived with up until around last year. We've never had any sexual encounters and don't intend to. One sister and I are very open about private matters - at first it was because she had no one else to turn to for relationship advice or drug questions, and later we just became comfortable enough with each other to discuss these things. I'm just one of the coolest older brothers anyone could ask for.

When I was much younger and beginning puberty, a slightly older cousin did convince me to experiment a bit. However, it was a short-lived phase which we both outgrew. I'm not even sure if that's an incest issue, or a kids-being-kids issue, or even a my-cousin-is-an-asshole issue, but it did happen.

From what I've read, children raised together in proximity tend to not be attracted to their peers. Maybe you can find articles on that.

But as for the morality of incest? As with every sexual matter, consent is a very strong factor to consider. Another issue is incest babies, which is wrong. I've seen the result of that sort of union and it isn't right to put a kid through that experience.

That's pretty much it. I don't have a strong opinion on it unless it results in a kid or the incestual act is forced in some way.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said. I'll add my two cents. Incest isn't something I'm into, but I treat it the way I treat all other fetishes, while it may not be something I'm into, there's others that are into it, and its not my place to judge. If you want to have sexual relations with your sister, brother, mom, dad, cousin, do it in a way that doesn't hurt you, or others around you. Its the same as anything else, its fine for you to enjoy it as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.

I think incest is weird because I can't understand how you can be sexually attracted to someone you were raised with in a brother-sister mindset.

But as long as there's no children produced from a incestous it's not -as- bad in my opinion.

If there was a child born of incest and even if there wasn't any developmental issues, it's going to be very difficult and awkward explaining to the child why their parents are brother and sister. I think it's very unfair to put a kid in that position.

Huskeee said:
If there was a child born of incest and even if there wasn't any developmental issues, it's going to be very difficult and awkward explaining to the child why their parents are brother and sister. I think it's very unfair to put a kid in that position.

I'm pretty sure I've heard that exact argument before, but in the context of the child having two fathers or two mothers.

"You can't let homosexuals adopt, it's unfair to the child to have to explain that! They'd be bullied!"

Clawdragons said:
I'm pretty sure I've heard that exact argument before, but in the context of the child having two fathers or two mothers.

"You can't let homosexuals adopt, it's unfair to the child to have to explain that! They'd be bullied!"

Are you seriously comparing a child being adopted by a homosexual couple to two blood relatives making a baby together?

I think the adopted kid - depending on what age will understand that better and kinda suspect something rather than thinking "Oh boy my parents sure do look alike" if their inbred mind can even put together a sentence.

I can honestly say that depnding on the situation, Incest is wrong if there is a child produced. The child will be in a way "defective". Science has proven that inbred children can either be mentally underdeveloped or have missing parts of organs. Now if this incest is between two same sex consenting adult siblings, than maybe only if they are involved in a 3 way with a non family member.

Huskeee said:
Are you seriously comparing a child being adopted by a homosexual couple to two blood relatives making a baby together?

I think the adopted kid - depending on what age will understand that better and kinda suspect something rather than thinking "Oh boy my parents sure do look alike" if their inbred mind can even put together a sentence.

I'm comparing the two because that specific argument made no distinction between the two. The two are not comparable in general, for various reasons, but in the context of the argument I was responding to, they are.

Your argument assumed they had no genetic issues. You said, and I quote, "If there was a child born of incest and even if there wasn't any developmental issues". Which, for the record, does happen.

Furthermore, your new argument regarding age doesn't really hold up for three reasons: because infant adoption is a thing, because artificial insemination is an option for lesbians, and because surrogacy is an option for gays.

Keep in mind, I'm not arguing that it's right for incestuous couples to have offspring. I'm just saying that that particular argument is invalid, and you really should consider the logic behind your arguments before making them. Stick to the genetic defect argument. It actually has some merit. This "explaining things is so difficult!" argument does not.

FoxyRK9 said:
Science has proven that inbred children can either be mentally underdeveloped or have missing parts of organs.

I get the feeling that you don't really understand genetics all that well.

FoxyRK9 said:
I can honestly say that depnding on the situation, Incest is wrong if there is a child produced. The child will be in a way "defective".

That's an exaggeration.
Single generation sibling inbreeding doubles the probability of birth defects, but ~96% of children are born completely healthy.

By comparison, occasional smoking or drinking during pregnancy is far more likely to cause defects.

There's no increased risk for second cousins or more distant relatives. Some studies have even shown that third cousin marriages actually tend to produce healthier than average offsprings.

It's a taboo, so society tends to condemn it. But there's not much scientific basis for it.

parasprite said:
I get the feeling that you don't really understand genetics all that well.

Heavy inbreeding over a lot of generations can cause scarier shit than that actually. Mental problems are the least of it

Yeah it's true that there was no way we could get 7 billion people on this planet without quite a bit of it, but I'm talking about the type of shit that spawned Charles II of Spain

I don't like it. That's my opinion.

Interestingly enough, I just got asked this question from my friend a few days ago. He told me "Dude, try to have an open mind." and I said "I do not want to think about banging my family. It's great to have an open mind for some things but having it too open will lead to problems."

TheHuskyK9 said:
I don't like it. That's my opinion.

Interestingly enough, I just got asked this question from my friend a few days ago. He told me "Dude, try to have an open mind." and I said "I do not want to think about banging my family. It's great to have an open mind for some things but having it too open will lead to problems."

The fact I have ran into people who actively try to defend it, and have insulted me for stating it is not something to be engaged --

Dragonlayer said:
7 billion people on this planet

-- clearly indicates that we have far too many people.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I don't like it. That's my opinion... "I do not want to think about banging my family."

Yup, this is pretty much exactly how I feel.

Won't stop you guys from doing what you want but please don't tell me about it

Patchi said:
As someone who works with children who are victims of incest, etc.. You disturb me.

Everyone's a victim.

ZeekeSoda said:
Was curious about how you guys would feel about incest , cause my buddy told me a pretty funny story . Long story short he fucked a guy that turns out to be his step brother. so that story sparked the question on what people think about incest? Is it wrong? would you do it? why not? etc...

Just throwing this out there but "step-anything" generally denotes that there is no blood relation, so this isn't even proper (genetic) incest.
Except if they are rednecks and their parents hooked up with their cousins or some shit.

Past that it's true what most others said, the chance to get genetic defects only increases marginally for the first generation, and is almost negligible once you go with a first cousin or even further away on the family tree.
The chances only start really rise into dangerous territory once you do that for a couple generations, but before that chances are higher that a kid will have a defect if you hook up with someone with a similar history of family issues (for example epilepsy or cancer).

For example, my family has a high occurrence of a couple deformities (first neck bone fused with the skull) and a high occurrence of epilepsy; both things I have as well, although epilepsy only very, very weak; if I were to hook up with someone who also has a record of epilepsy themselves, or in their family, the resulting child would have a much higher chance to develop epilepsy than a kid in a first generation incest relation.

And just to state my personal stance on this: If they are kids they shouldn't do it out of principle, if they are both responsible adults and consent both to it then it is simply not my place to judge/ tell them how to live their lifes.

Clawdragons said:
I don't see anything inherently wrong with incest. There are some things that can be wrong about it. For instance, between an adult and a child, but in that case the problem isn't an incest problem, it's a child molestation problem. I really shouldn't even need to mention this caveat, but people sometimes act like if you don't mention obvious exceptions that it means you support them.

Patchi said:
As someone who works with children who are victims of incest, etc.. You disturb me.

Uh huh . . .

Anyways it's mostly been said, I am whatever about it if it is two consenting people and doesn't bring people not involved into it (re: don't have kids). Otherwise if 2 brothers want to fuck each other, that is thier call and I don't care. I have actual things to worry about then what strangers are doing

I see nothing wrong with it as long as it is between two consenting adults.
Although I would not take part in it myself, fictionally maybe, real life, nah.

CamKitty said:
Uh huh . . .

Okay seriously, was I really unclear with my post there or something? I feel like it's getting a lot of focus for what it says. I don't think "I'm fine with incest, but obviously not the kind that involves kids, because that's child molestation" is really that surprising of a viewpoint. It's basically what the majority of other people have said here.

Seriously, if I was unclear, I'll edit it or something, but I just don't understand the focus it's getting.

Clawdragons said:
Okay seriously, was I really unclear with my post there or something? I feel like it's getting a lot of focus for what it says. I don't think "I'm fine with incest, but obviously not the kind that involves kids, because that's child molestation" is really that surprising of a viewpoint. It's basically what the majority of other people have said here.

Seriously, if I was unclear, I'll edit it or something, but I just don't understand the focus it's getting.

That was a sarcastic uh huh (hence the trailing off of . . . , I guess less obvious.

Just was posting your thing followed by hers to show you explicitly mentioned the bad parts. I agree with you

Lance_Armstrong said:
Everyone's a victim.

What do you mean by that? The person you replied to is talking about CHILDREN, dude. Are you seriously lumping children who have suffered sexual abuse in with people who pretend to be victimized or something? I'm gonna need some clarification for your statement, 'cause maybe I'm getting a different implication from it than what you intended.

Slowdive92 said:
What do you mean by that? The person you replied to is talking about CHILDREN, dude. Are you seriously lumping children who have suffered sexual abuse in with people who pretend to be victimized or something? I'm gonna need some clarification for your statement, 'cause maybe I'm getting a different implication from it than what you intended.

I could be wrong, but I think the implication is that Patchi is acting like a victim by making that comment. Which, given what Clawdragons actually said, seems like a pretty accurate criticism.

or

Patchi was commenting on his mention of zoophilia.

Mentioning that was pointless and has derailed the thread with posts trying to sound smart

CamKitty said:
That was a sarcastic uh huh (hence the trailing off of . . . , I guess less obvious.

Just was posting your thing followed by hers to show you explicitly mentioned the bad parts. I agree with you

Oh. I'm sorry. I guess I was being too sensitive maybe. I apologize for that.

Knotty_Curls said:

or

Patchi was commenting on his mention of zoophilia.

Mentioning that was pointless and has derailed the thread with posts trying to sound smart

Was it really?

ZeekeSoda said:
Was curious about how you guys would feel about incest , cause my buddy told me a pretty funny story . Long story short he fucked a guy that turns out to be his step brother. so that story sparked the question on what people think about incest? Is it wrong? would you do it? why not? etc...

It was directly answering one of the questions asked in the original post.

Also you're the only one who's responded to it.

Patchi said:
As someone who works with children

I feel sorry for the children :-/

I'm probably going to say the exact same thing that a lot of people have said already. But I'm going to say it anyway!

I'm not really interested in it myself; but as long all parties consent to this incestuous act and know that their child has a higher risk (even if it's just a little bit higher than average) of being born disabled, I don't have any problem with it. People should be able to do whatever (and whoever :P) they please, as long as it doesn't harm anyone against their will.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Everyone's a victim.

Everyone is a victim of his parents

i don't mind seeing it in doujin or furry pics but beyond that...weird and would likely only ever have a chance of approving, if at all, if 1. same-sex pair and 2. not adult/child pair (as clawdragons pointed out up at the top, the whole child molestation/rape thing).

treos said:
i don't mind seeing it in doujin or furry pics but beyond that...weird and would likely only ever have a chance of approving, if at all, if 1. same-sex pair and 2. not adult/child pair (as clawdragons pointed out up at the top, the whole child molestation/rape thing).

What's wrong with opposite-sex pairs if they use birth control? Or if they're infertile?

I should make a thread about consensual necrophilia.

Munkelzahn said:
I should make a thread about consensual necrophilia.

Go for it.

Clawdragons said:
What's wrong with opposite-sex pairs if they use birth control? Or if they're infertile?

birth control: accidents happen (such as forgetting to use said birth control)

infertile: i suppose that'd be ok. doubt there'd be a risk of anything bad happening there (so long as it's still avoiding the adult/child pairing bit of course)

Munkelzahn said:
I should make a thread about consensual necrophilia.

well, you won't see me in that thread. >.> *resumes eating sausage balls*

treos said:
birth control: accidents happen (such as forgetting to use said birth control)

Yeah, they do, but also even with typical use, many birth control methods have a very high success rate. The success rate is so high, in fact, compared to the relatively low increase in genetic disorders for first-generation incestuous couples, that an opposite-sex incestuous couple using birth control typically is less likely to produce a child with a significant birth defect than a non-incestuous couple using no birth control.

Furthermore, not all birth control methods are equal. Some take the "forgetting" element out of the picture - tube litigation and vasectomies, for one, as generally permanent methods, but also things like IUDs are worth mentioning, because a single IUD can last some ten years (copper IUDs). Again, with such a high success rate (up to 99.8% per year of use)... Well, see my above paragraph again.

Flygon said:
Anyway, for me personally, it's more of a "It's creepy if it's straight, not really creepy if it's gay" sort of thing.

Based on what I've seen in this thread, that thought seems to be fairly prevalent. Which is fascinating when you think about it; "straight = wrong" isn't exactly a common mindset with other topics.

In reality, it's wrong.

In "fantasy land", it's fair game.

If incest is like it is in the comics from this website (all fantasy and honestly, miraculously, magically true), like they truly do love each other...then sure, whatever, it's fine I guess.

However out of sexual desires only, like you're doing it just because your sibling is hot or you've got a high sex drive...then no way. It is unacceptable, and it will definitely hurt your relationship with your sibling(s) and parents.

That's just my take on it. Good luck to your buddy and his step brother, I wish them the best.

Maybe if I had a hot younger/older sister like in the animus.
But she's not hot nor two dimensional, so, no.

As long as you dont reproduce and it happens between two consenting adults, i dont really know what to say against it.

I wouldn´t brag about it though.

What about non vaginal intercourse type of incest? Surely that has an even lower chance of pregnancy? (Especially if it's not within a male-female paring!)

Lyokira said:
What about non vaginal intercourse type of incest? Surely that has an even lower chance of pregnancy? (Especially if it's not within a male-female paring!)

I feel like an idiot for this not occurring to me.

Aren't we all literally products of incest? Whether you believe in god or not couple #1 started somewhere and the only way to multiply is intercourse so I honestly only see one issue with consensual incest between two adults and that is the factor of birth defects. Besides that if you aren't hurting anyone I would say fine by me.

Hiatuss said:
Aren't we all literally products of incest? Whether you believe in god or not couple #1 started somewhere and the only way to multiply is intercourse so I honestly only see one issue with consensual incest between two adults and that is the factor of birth defects. Besides that if you aren't hurting anyone I would say fine by me.

that does kinda make sense if you think about it. if you're of the belief that humanity began with adam and eve alone then yeah, i suppose humanity was a product of incest to begin with.

Hiatuss said:
Aren't we all literally products of incest? Whether you believe in god or not couple #1 started somewhere and the only way to multiply is intercourse so I honestly only see one issue with consensual incest between two adults and that is the factor of birth defects. Besides that if you aren't hurting anyone I would say fine by me.

Couple... 1? A single couple?

I get how you'd think that if you believed in a literal Adam and Eve... but if you think that's what evolution proposes... that is not accurate. Evolution works on populations, not individuals, and also the origins of sex and the sexes has more known stages to it than you might think. I can elaborate further, if you like, but the gist is, there was never any "first couple" which had to breed incestuously in that theory (though there is undoubtedly plenty of incest in our history nonetheless).

Hiatuss said:
the only way to multiply is intercourse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction

parasprite said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction

I thought we were talking about Humans? I get what you are saying but I meant the only way for Humans to reproduce.

Clawdragons said:
Couple... 1? A single couple?

I get how you'd think that if you believed in a literal Adam and Eve... but if you think that's what evolution proposes... that is not accurate. Evolution works on populations, not individuals, and also the origins of sex and the sexes has more known stages to it than you might think. I can elaborate further, if you like, but the gist is, there was never any "first couple" which had to breed incestuously in that theory (though there is undoubtedly plenty of incest in our history nonetheless).

Feel free to explain. I only know so much about the Evolution theory. Really my point was that incest isn't as uncommon or degenerative as you might think given that incest played a hand in today's population.

Opinions on incest (as with most things) evolve with the society you are in. It used to be very common (particularly among royalty) until bad stuff started happening because of such limited gene pools. The problems, as some others have said, tend to primarily arise when it's multi-generational breeding.

I don't see any problems with incest if it's consensual and the involved parties are of sound mind. I don't even have any real problem with interbreeding at the first, and possibly second, generation so long as their family doesn't have a history of genetic/health issues.

On the topic of children, I don't agree with adult-child incest, but I do think that inter-sibling fooling (though not necessarily *sex*) is more common than most like to admit. If you actually have a sibling close to your age and of the opposite sex, it's not at all strange that when you got old enough to be curious about the differences in your bodies that you'd play doctor or "I'll-show-you-mine-if-you-show-me-yours." It's probably even more prevalent among twins/triplets/etc because they are even closer.

Wodahseht said:
It's probably even more prevalent among twins/triplets/etc because they are even closer.

tripcest

Hiatuss said:
Feel free to explain. I only know so much about the Evolution theory. Really my point was that incest isn't as uncommon or degenerative as you might think given that incest played a hand in today's population.

Quite. I've dabbled in genealogy, and so far I haven't found a single family tree that didn't have some incest in it. Especially in smaller counties, where pretty much everyone is related in some way.

For instance, one householder had 32 children (he had three wives). Almost everyone who lives in the area today can trace their lineage to him. And that was in late 1600s, not too many generations ago.

"Remember kids, if you fuck your siblings, your kids will be fucked too!"
No but really I don't see anything really wrong with it, except for the outcome with their children if they have any.

I find the concept of parental incest abhorrent, as it is (likely) crossing lines of emotional and sexual manipulation or abuse, yet incest between siblings or cousins of an age to be less concerning, even sometimes arousing, gender notwithstanding.

It may be odd, yet that is the way my brain has worked out the issue. As an only child, this is also constrained within the realms of fiction or art.

Hey they are much more fucked up things going on in the world, i dont judge on incest. Mainly because its my fetish lol. In all seriousness though, forced incest can affect a person a lot mentally, like a brother coercing his sister to have sex. So i would say if you want to fuck your brother/sister/cousin/daughter/son, go ahead, just make sure everyone knows fully whats going on and nothing is forced. Also, dont have babies.. like REALLY, babies caused by incest is the worst thing ever.

I mean when it comes to "step-siblings" there is actually no familial relation, so to me it seems more of a social taboo than anything. Which to be quite honest I think may bring it into the same light as something like "swinging" or "pony play".

I had a friend in High School whose father passed away from cancer, at the time she had been dating a boy for a few months but after her father passed they grew apart and eventually she and her mother moved away. About 2 years later her mother started dating her old boyfriend's father, who was a divorcee. Eventually they married and my friend was now the sister of a guy she had given a blow job to at Junior Prom. I think the only thing that saved her sanity was getting accepted to Arizona State so she could go party and drink her troubles away in another state.

As for actual incest I'm an only child, so I never had any kind of sibling interaction. But if I were to give a take on it I would have to say it's not always like you can control who you fall in love with. Sure social norms and peer pressure and what not can guide you, but like Emily Dickinson said "The heart wants what it wants - or else it does not care."