tiamat5 said:
Well I am certain I have at least one negative record that is more than six months old and I have had no infractions since then. So whenever you are ready.

It's a record for a ban so nothing I can do right now since the page doesn't allow changing the level of a ban record.


New update! This one is a large one, but everything is color coded.

A large part of those are old suggestions from Parasprite, but some are fairly recent problems that we've encountered and have now rolled into one.
This should be the last large rule update for quite a while.

Glossary
Post: An image or other content uploaded to e621, on the posts section of the website. Not to be confused with a 'forum post'.
Comment: A textual comment made on a Post, on the posts section of the website, or blips in the blip section.
Forum Thread: A 'thread' of comments on a single subject, on the forums section of the website.
Forum Post: A comment made on a Forum Thread.

Changed the order slightly and hyperlinked the sections so the links can go properly to the e621 or e926 version of the website.

Abuse of Site Tools

  • Using any of the site tools, such as Flag for Deletion, ticket reporting system, takedowns, notes, or any other site tool in a fashion that can be construed as disruptive, spamming, or defamatory
  • Putting gibberish in any of the description fields
  • Repeatedly submitting invalid, incorrect, or unnecessary requests
  • Repeatedly submitting username change requests
  • Using Unicode in tickets, username changes, or any other use of site tools
  • Using any of the site tools to “backseat moderate”
  • Reporting forum posts, threads, comments, blips, or any other site media that is older than 6 months
  • added blips for bad reporting
  • added hyperlink to backseat moderating
  • clarified forum posts instead of normal posts
  • Removed using unicode in tickets because this has been made obsolete sometime last year

Bestiality

  • Creating a post, forum post, or thread that is an inappropriate reference to real-life bestiality, sexual relations, or bodily functions
  • Linking or commenting on a website that promotes material that contains inappropriate references to real-life bestiality, sexual relations, or bodily functions
  • Linking to explicit, real-life material involving animal genitalia or animals mating

Added linking to explicit bestiality and clarified for real-life genitalia and mating, so fantasy/ drawn stuff is still fine.

Creating Duplicate Forum Threads
Suggested Suspension Length: 3 to 7 days
This category includes:

  • Creating forum threads about existing topics less than six months old
  • Creating a separate forum thread about an existing topic for further discussion in another forum category
  • Creating a separate forum thread about an existing locked topic for further discussion in any forum or site

This is intended to reduce clutter on the website, discouraging users from posting similar or same content in multiple, potentially unrelated, forums or topics. If someone would like to increase visibility of a post for any reason, they can request it from an admin.

Literally deleted this entire section and rolled it into spamming and trolling, so please see below for the actual changes.

Extreme Sexuality / Violence

  • Linking to websites that refer to extreme real-life violent sexual activity
  • Linking to websites that refer to extreme real-life violence
  • Linking to websites that refer to extreme kinks and/or fetishes

Videos of rape, snuff, executions, and similar material all fall under this category.
Linking to generic pornographic material is still fine as long as it doesn't break any other rules.

Clarifications of the intent of the rule so it's easier to understand.

Illegal Activities or Drugs
Suggested Suspension Length: 3 to 7 days
This category includes:

  • Forum threads or comments that references to abusing illegal drugs
  • Forum threads or comments that references to performing illegal activities

Admitting to partaking in arson, bestiality, kidnapping, manslaughter or other similar serious crimes will lead to the permanent closure of your account.
Being a convicted felon for any of the above crimes may also lead to the permanent closure of your account.

This is intended to make sure we are not promoting drug use or other illegal activities in commentary form. For example it is okay if someone posts a picture of someone shooting up, but it is not okay if someone comments that they like to shoot up. We do not want anyone looking at the comments and thinking drug abuse or other illegal activities areis acceptable (because someone else is doing it). Example: a post where a strung-out character has a needle in their arm (okay) Comment in the post’s thread: Oh wow, that reminds me of me an hour ago! (not okay)

Changed the title so it is in alphabetical order.
Also added that admitting to, or being convicted of, bestiality or other serious crimes anywhere on the page will lead to their permanent removal. Neither do we need to deal with legal implications of people who actively partake in illegal activities (for Arizona/US), nor do we need to endanger our users by allowing known convicted felons to be on our page.

National, Racial, or Ethnic Hatred

  • Promoting national, racial, or ethnic hatred
  • Creating posts, threads, or comments with recognized national, racial, or ethnic slurs
  • Creating posts, threads, or comments with hateful content
  • Alluding to symbols of national, racial, or ethnic hatred

This is intended to make sure people aren’t outwardly offending people’s national, racial, or ethnic pride or members of a government. This is something that we need to gauge by intent, not just presentation. There are acceptable forms of art that present shock value, or an unpopular point of view, but where we need to step in is if someone is deliberately being malicious.

This is simply a combination of National Hatred and Racial / Ethnic Hatred because they overlap so much. At the same time this means Racial / Ethnic Hatred as it's own category got axed.
Removed the mention of "or members of the government" because those are better protected under Major Religions, Religious Figures, Political Parties, or Political Figures.
In the wake of renaming this I've also changed the anchor on the rule page from #NationalHatred to just #Hatred.

Posting Unreleased Content / Hacking Data Files

  • Showing unreleased content from anyone that has been discovered through unauthorized means
  • Showing the results of successful or attempted hacks of the Bad Dragon, Dragonfruit, or e621 servers, websites, or affiliates
  • Showing paid content, or creating forum posts or comments that link to content only available through paid subscription services
  • Discuss, or display any data not available via public websites
  • Quoting, or otherwise referencing, another user who posts illegal/paid content or data

Please note that paid content over 2 years old is acceptable to post if it doesn't break any other rules

Here we clarified forum posts since Posting Abuse covers normal posts and a small clarification that paid content in posts is fine if it doesn't break other rules.

Spamming or Trolling

  • Excessively communicating the same phrase, similar phrases, or pure gibberish
  • Creating comments, forum posts, or threads for the sole purpose of causing unrest
  • Causing disturbances in forum threads or comments, such as picking fights, making off topic posts that ruin the thread, and/or insult other members
  • Making non-constructive or derailing forum posts or comments.
  • Bragging about saving DNP material, or encouraging others to save it
  • Abusing the Flagging for Deletion option, Report system, or other website tools by sending false information or nonsensical messages
  • Creating forum threads about existing topics less than six months old
  • Creating a separate forum thread about an existing topic for further discussion in another forum category
  • Creating a separate forum thread about an existing locked topic for further discussion in any forum or site
  • Excessively posting old threads without adding anything to the discussion
  • Excessively creating pointless threads like forum games, asking for opinions on site irrelevant themes, asking for free art, etc
  • Numbering a thread, IBTL, ITT, TL;DR, or any other fad statements

Added duplicate forum posts category (as outlined above), added necroposting, added the creation of pointless threads, clarifying some stuff, added one acronym.
A new highlight is the spiel about bragging to save DNP stuff and encouraging others to do the same. This was in poor taste before, it's now an actual offense that can get you banned.
Please note: Offering to draw free stuff for people, asking about opinions relevant to the page (furry themes, something related to our posts old and new, etc. is still fine). Don't expect to see too many records for forum spam.

Tagging Abuse / Tagging Vandalism
Suggested Suspension Length: 3 days
This category includes:

  • Failure to cite a minimum of 4 tags to an uploaded post
  • Adding a tag to a post that is not either clearly visible, or reasonably assumed
  • Removing a valid tag, either as part of a dispute/argument, or to place one that is not correct
  • Failure to properly set the rating of your upload (https://e926.net/help/ratings)
  • Knowingly adding or editing a post source to an incorrect link
  • Adding invalid/disruptive tags, or any tags that could be considered as defamatory or spam
  • Using Unicode in tags, with the exception of foreign artist/character names

Moved tampering with the sources to tagging abuse, and subsequently removed them from Posting Abuse.

As always please let us know what you think about those changes, and if there is anything we should change or rework!

Peekaboo
Contributor
6 months ago
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Rating: Safe
Score: 80
User: meanwhile
Date: December 03, 2012

Looks pretty good to me.

The Illegal Activities or Drugs section, admitting to utilizing hard drugs, is that also a permanent shutdown of your account or is that still viable for the suggested suspension length of three to seven days? I'm guessing drug usage doesn't go under the "serious crimes" section along with animal fucking, kidnapping etc.


It's currently not grounds for a direct removal, but we may opt for a permanent ban if they offer to share or sell.


What does "IBTL" mean?


Parasprite says it stands for "in before thread lock".

toboe
Privileged
6 months ago
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Rating: Safe
Score: 93
User: vultaire
Date: April 29, 2012

How does allowing known convicted felons on the site endanger our users? These people were deemed safe to sit next to you on the bus, but not on a website?


toboe said:
How does allowing known convicted felons on the site endanger our users? These people were deemed safe to sit next to you on the bus, but not on a website?

i suspect it's more about the site's reputation


I tried to quote https://e926.net/forum/show/234226
but the text I wanted to quote didn't show up in the response text area

> Knowingly adding or editing a post source to an incorrect link

If a post is from Pixiv, and has been deleted from Pixiv, but SauceNAO still has a link to the deleted post
like post #1216860
is it ok to add that link to the source field?

Pixiv might not be the best example, but links to other sites contain information, like image titles and character names.


Munkelzahn said:
I tried to quote https://e926.net/forum/show/234226
but the text I wanted to quote didn't show up in the response text area

> Knowingly adding or editing a post source to an incorrect link

If a post is from Pixiv, and has been deleted from Pixiv, but SauceNAO still has a link to the deleted post
like post #1216860
is it ok to add that link to the source field?

Pixiv might not be the best example, but links to other sites contain information, like image titles and character names.

Probably because it's in a quote block. Nothing changed with that except it got moved into this section. Editing sources to valid ones (even if they have been deleted in the meantime) are fine as long as no currently valid sources are overwritten in the process. Meaning replacing a working source to FA with a dead one from pixiv is bad, but adding a dead source to a post without sources is fine.

toboe said:
How does allowing known convicted felons on the site endanger our users? These people were deemed safe to sit next to you on the bus, but not on a website?

Partially what Munkelzahn said, but on the other hand the rates at which convicted felons of arson or manslaughter go back to committing the exact same crimes is pretty high. Standard prisons are not very effective at rehabilitation.


Been updating the CoC a lot recently...

Also, for some reason, I find it hilarious that you specifically stated "Arizona/US" and not just "US". Poor Arizona...


Clitheroe said:
Been updating the CoC a lot recently...

Also, for some reason, I find it hilarious that you specifically stated "Arizona/US" and not just "US". Poor Arizona...

Our servers are in Arizona, and yeah, a lot of updates recently. Though this is most likely going to be the last one for a good long while.


toboe said:
How does allowing known convicted felons on the site endanger our users? These people were deemed safe to sit next to you on the bus, but not on a website?

It's a lot easier to promote crime online than in the open public, where people can see your face. So like how it's not appreciated to speak highly of criminal backgrounds in normal social situations, it's the same here.

And a quick question about the drug referencing in the comments: is it hard, controlled substances only? I understand that marijuana is not legal everywhere in the United States, but where I live within, it is legal.


NotMeNotYou said:
Probably because it's in a quote block. Nothing changed with that except it got moved into this section. Editing sources to valid ones (even if they have been deleted in the meantime) are fine as long as no currently valid sources are overwritten in the process. Meaning replacing a working source to FA with a dead one from pixiv is bad, but adding a dead source to a post without sources is fine.

What if it does have a working Furaffinity source already, and we add the dead Pixiv source without overwriting the Furaffinity source?


Furrin_Gok said:
What if it does have a working Furaffinity source already, and we add the dead Pixiv source without overwriting the Furaffinity source?

NotMeNotYou said:
Editing sources to valid ones [...] are fine as long as no currently valid sources are overwritten in the process.

null0010
Contributor
6 months ago

what on earth does being convicted of arson have to do with the usership and/or functionality of the site


null0010 said:
what on earth does being convicted of arson have to do with the usership and/or functionality of the site

By the specific wording, I imagine that it's referring to criminals who commit serious crimes. Having them as users would not only be bad for the site's reputation, but could also land the site in trouble with the law, for 'harbouring/affiliating with criminals', or just be a hassle if the police request records or whatever. I wouldn't know the specifics for the rule change though, these are just guesses.

Mdf
Member
6 months ago
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Rating: Safe
Score: 93
User: Cat-in-Flight
Date: February 02, 2016

Munkelzahn said:
i suspect it's more about the site's reputation

JAKXXX3 said:
Having them as users would not only be bad for the site's reputation, but could also land the site in trouble with the law, for 'harbouring/affiliating with criminals',

I'm just curious as to how one would find out someone's a felon.

Now I can literally say "bring on the forum police".


Mdf said:
I'm just curious as to how one would find out someone's a felon.

Now I can literally say "bring on the forum police".

Admitting to partaking in arson, bestiality, kidnapping, manslaughter or other similar serious crimes...

Someone would have to be dumb enough to mention it in a comment or forum post.

BlueDingo
Privileged
6 months ago
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Rating: Safe
Score: 28
User: flux_capacitor
Date: March 02, 2013

JAKXXX3 said:
Someone would have to be dumb enough to mention it in a comment or forum post.

And not be joking about it, like me being a cereal murderer because I murdered a bowl of cereal this morning.


NotMeNotYou said:
But that makes no sense? We want users to report things that go against the best intentions of the site. What you're proposing would mean they shouldn't report things that have the potential to be harmful.

I think someone tampered with my comment, I don't remember posting that.

Wait! I may have gotten confused on a typo, and I just realized this thread is a bit old. For once in a long time, I feel like a goofball...

Mdf
Member
6 months ago
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Rating: Safe
Score: 93
User: Cat-in-Flight
Date: February 02, 2016

JAKXXX3 said:
Someone would have to be dumb enough to mention it in a comment or forum post.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but mention that on a furry porn site?

I'll believe it when I see it.


Mdf said:
Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but mention that on a furry porn site?

I'll believe it when I see it.

I've slapped numerous people for fucking their pets.

leomole
Privileged
6 months ago
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Rating: Safe
Score: 117
User: Onii-chan
Date: May 09, 2014

NotMeNotYou said:
Bragging about saving DNP material, or encouraging others to save it

Does this apply to the comments I made in forum #214635? They don't encourage or glorify saving deleted material but I understand if it's objectionable.


leomole said:
Does this apply to the comments I made in forum #214635? They don't encourage or glorify saving deleted material but I understand if it's objectionable.

Comments like those are somewhat in a gray zone. In that particular case Trunchbull only reluctantly removed her creations, so I'd personally give it a pass. On the other hand if it's clear pay content you'd fall victim to the rule without a second thought.

leomole
Privileged
6 months ago
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Rating: Safe
Score: 117
User: Onii-chan
Date: May 09, 2014

NotMeNotYou said:
Comments like those are somewhat in a gray zone. In that particular case Trunchbull only reluctantly removed her creations, so I'd personally give it a pass. On the other hand if it's clear pay content you'd fall victim to the rule without a second thought.

Okay, thanks for clarification.


NotMeNotYou said:

Changed the title so it is in alphabetical order.
Also added that admitting to, or being convicted of, bestiality or other serious crimes anywhere on the page will lead to their permanent removal. Neither do we need to deal with legal implications of people who actively partake in illegal activities (for Arizona/US), nor do we need to endanger our users by allowing known convicted felons to be on our page.

Note that US Supreme Court just struck down a North Carolina law which banned convicted sex offenders from having any profiles on social media sites where minors are known to be present, on 1st Amendment grounds. If this is a legal mandate from a jurisdiction in US, it is arguably unconstitutional. ( https: slash slash www.supremecourt.gov slash opinions slash 16pdf slash 15-1194_08l1.pdf ) I don't know specifically to which US/Arizona law you're referring to which causes your policies to now require that you close the accounts of anyone who discusses or has ever been convicted of a felony.

FYI, California convicts people of felonies All The Time. People who have paid their debts to society are now having to deal with ongoing ostracization? If you want to drive them to commit more felonies, that's the best way to do it. They need to be brought back into and included in society, not permanently marked with a Scarlet Letter for having had a lapse in judgment.

(Someone very close to me is in prison right now, for shooting someone. I'm aware of the situation surrounding it, and I am confident that a physician-induced benzodiazepine dependence and subsequent withdrawal psychosis cannot ever happen to him again. When he is released, he will be able to be bonded. He would be a fan of this site. But according to you, he can't participate because he would "endanger your users"?)

Are you going to start requiring legal name, birthdate, and other information so that you can look up your users' conviction data to enforce this rule? Or are you going to accept allegations made by other site users? If the former, how are you planning on keeping the personally-identifible information private? If the latter, how can one prove the lack of such a conviction? What happens in the case where the user had a conviction for a felony but the conviction is later reduced to a misdemeanor, dismissed, or pardoned? What policies or procedures exist to prevent this from becoming a site-legitimized means of harassment?

Also, under which jurisdiction's laws would a felony have to be a felony to trigger the removal of the user account? The most restrictive laws that your site can reach? (Guess what, if you have any users from the Muslim nations of the Middle East, all your homosexual users would be felons in those places -- and thus all discussion of homosexual sex would likewise be felonious.) The jurisdiction(s) of your administrators and moderators? Which jurisdictions are those? The jurisdiction where your servers are located? Which jurisdiction is that? The jurisdiction where the user is located? You don't even know or track that (unless you do, in which case your privacy policy needs to be updated), so you can't even make judgments based on that.

Does the Arizona law purport to say that anything that's a felony in Arizona cannot be discussed on any computer system anywhere, even amongst users and a site which are all located completely outside of Arizona and for which none of the traffic touches Arizona? I am not a lawyer, but that appears to me to be gross legislative overreach, and amounts to lawfare (the attempt to impose political or legal change on other jurisdictions with no standing to make or enforce any laws upon or within).

I respectfully request:
1) the "convicted felon" rule be struck because it's impossible to enforce with the data available to you.
2) the "discussion of felonious activity" clause be redrafted to more closely align with the actual mandates involved, combined with the realities that different jurisdictions define different things as felonies, that there is no way to identify which jurisdiction's laws the user is actually subject to, and that you are too small to have a legal staff with full knowledge of the entire world's felony codes.
3) you give users the necessary information to help them help you comply with the law, so that you don't apparently arbitrarily start lowering the banhammer.
4) that you cite the actual laws which you claim require you to change your policies to conform to them (such as the Arizona law you're alluding to).
5) that you consult with a lawyer to figure these things out.


wolfoftheair said:
Note that US Supreme Court just struck down a North Carolina law which banned convicted sex offenders from having any profiles on social media sites where minors are known to be present, on 1st Amendment grounds.

e621's policies are not law. There is no First Amendment right to post on a private website. The North Carolina law was struck down because it was the government that was limiting speech, not the private websites or social media companies.


Lance_Armstrong said:
e621's policies are not law. There is no First Amendment right to post on a private website. The North Carolina law was struck down because it was the government that was limiting speech, not the private websites or social media companies.

That's kind of why I would like to know the Arizona law that is being alluded to, honestly, which appears to be the impetus for at least this part of the policy updates.