NotMeNotYou said:
New CoC update!

This it's not change of the rules, but adding record worthy offenses from the DNP list directly into the rules. The goal of this change is to allow people to directly see what will lead to records when posting without having to read both the CoC and the DNP list.

Can we please add : NO dipictionsof children or someone that looks like a child (under 18) they can not be less then a 1/2 of their size and the same species of animals.

There would be no point of not loading child porn if you are drawing child porn. Please I beg you its morally wrong

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zhi1911 said:
Can we please add : NO dipictionsof children or someone that looks like a child (under 18) they can not be less thena quarter of tere size an the same species of animals.

There would be no point of not loading child porn if you are drawing child porn. Please I beg you its morally wrong

1. 17 year olds are not children, nor do they look like children. Also, neoteny is a thing. (Relax, Kagami Shuna is over 18 in this gif.)
2. If you don't want to see children or young teens, try adding "young human" to your blacklist.
3. Morality is subjective, and irrelevant in fictional art.


zhi1911 said:
Can we please add : NO dipictionsof children or someone that looks like a child (under 18) they can not be less then a 1/2 of their size and the same species of animals.

There would be no point of not loading child porn if you are drawing child porn. Please I beg you its morally wrong

*sigh*

You cannot draw child porn. Child porn involves a real human child being sexually abused in front of a real physical camera. What you are calling "child porn" is in fact NOT the same thing, because it is drawn images of fictional anthropomorphic characters and no one is actually being abused.

Seriously, please stop trying to equate cub pornography with child pornography. They are NOT the same thing.


zhi1911 said:
Can we please add : NO dipictionsof children or someone that looks like a child (under 18) they can not be less thena quarter of tere size an the same species of animals.

There would be no point of not loading child porn if you are drawing child porn. Please I beg you its morally wrong

Could you rephrase that entirely? It sounds like you are saying no child pornography, which is already ruled as no Real Life Pornography, and that you do not know that what is hosted on site and child pornography is two separate things.

*edit* here, a forum where this topic has been brought up. All of this would probably be better suited there.

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InannaEloah said:
You cannot draw child porn. Child porn involves a real human child being sexually abused in front of a real physical camera. What you are calling "child porn" is in fact NOT the same thing, because it is drawn images of fictional anthropomorphic characters and no one is actually being abused.

Seriously, please stop trying to equate cub pornography with child pornography. They are NOT the same thing.

I think he meant this, and I'm pretty sure fictional children still count as children just as fictional dogs still count as dogs.

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BlueDingo said:
I think he meant this, and I'm pretty sure fictional children still count as children just as fictional dogs still count as dogs.

U.S. law has tried several times to ban fictional underage erotica and has, surprisingly, been successfully challenged and pushed back every time.

This is courtesy of the obscenity principle - but underage erotica is probably way more likely to be found by a jury to be obscene, compared to erotica of only adult characters, all other factors unchanged.


BlueDingo said:
I think he meant this, and I'm pretty sure fictional children still count as children just as fictional dogs still count as dogs.

No, because in order for it to qualify as a child, it needs to be an actual identifiable real child. A fictional character in a drawing does not qualify, at least under US law, as a child, and therefore the drawings you linked to are *not* child pornography. Child pornography is child abuse, because it involves real children being physically abused. A drawing of a fictional character is not a photograph of a real child being physically abused, so no, it is not child porn.

Also, fictional dogs do not count as real dogs in US law either. A drawing of a fictional dog being fucked from behind by a human is not considered bestiality in the United States. In the same manner that Bugs Bunny is not considered a real rabbit, so a drawn dog in a furry art picture is not considered a real dog.

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InannaEloah said:
No, because in order for it to qualify as a child, it needs to be an actual identifiable real child. A fictional character in a drawing does not qualify, at least under US law, as a child, and therefore the drawings you linked to are *not* child pornography. Child pornography is child abuse, because it involves real children being physically abused. A drawing of a fictional character is not a photograph of a real child being physically abused, so no, it is not child porn.

Also, fictional dogs do not count as real dogs in US law either. A drawing of a fictional dog being fucked from behind by a human is not considered bestiality in the United States. In the same manner that Bugs Bunny is not considered a real rabbit, so a drawn dog in a furry art picture is not considered a real dog.

I'm not referring to the terms as they are defined in law and I never said a fictional depiction counts as real. I'm speaking from more of a layman's perspective and using non-legal definitions for terms.


BlueDingo said:
I think he meant this, and I'm pretty sure fictional children still count as children just as fictional dogs still count as dogs.

not really... I can attack a dog in a game or read about one being attacked in a book, it does not equate dog abuse in the real world and the same can be said for drawings. they are not real they are 100% fiction


zhi1911 said:
Can we please add : NO dipictionsof children or someone that looks like a child (under 18) they can not be less then a 1/2 of their size and the same species of animals.

There would be no point of not loading child porn if you are drawing child porn. Please I beg you its morally wrong

I've looked at your profile and your comments, and I really think you need to check yourself. All you actually do is tell people to fuck themselves and to "stfu." The fact that you are here kinda scares me because you might be attempting to either troll or even worse, start an argument.

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curseitkris said:
not really... I can attack a dog in a game or read about one being attacked in a book, it does not equate dog abuse in the real world and the same can be said for drawings. they are not real they are 100% fiction

Why do people keep interpreting "fictional thing is a thing" as "fictional thing is a real thing"? "A thing" and "a real thing" do not mean the same thing.

It doesn't matter if the thing in question is real or fictional, it still considered an instance of that thing. Seriously, I feel like I'm talking to people who look at this and with a straight face, would tell people "that thing is not a dog because that thing is not real".


IMO both curseitkris and you are being obtuse in opposite but equal ways.

What is relevant is whether the dog is legally a dog, not whether it is conceptually a dog. Fictional dogs do not have legal standing. The definition of 'real' is irrelevant.

(if this sounds hilariously pedantic, go talk to a lawyer for a while.)

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BlueDingo said:
Why do people keep interpreting "fictional thing is a thing" as "fictional thing is a real thing"? "A thing" and "a real thing" do not mean the same thing.

It doesn't matter if the thing in question is real or fictional, it still considered an instance of that thing. Seriously, I feel like I'm talking to people who look at this and with a straight face, would tell people "that thing is not a dog because that thing is not real".

i've run across that type of person before as well. it's that whole inability to differentiate fiction from reality thing some people seem to suffer from.

1. this is a dog.

2.this is a real dog.

but apparently some people can't differentiate the 2 and consider the dog in #1 to be just as real as dog #2 despite #1 clearly being a picture someone drew. my first suspicion upon encountering such a person would be that something isn't quite right with their mind. o.O

a great example would be mr. pepper.


New Code of Conduct Update!

Changed Rule:

Impersonating an Employee or Moderator
Suggested Suspension Length: Permanent
This category includes:

  • Passing yourself off as a current or past employee of Bad Dragon, Dragonfruit, or e621, especially to post false information
  • Passing yourself off as a current or past moderator of Bad Dragon, Dragonfruit, or e621, especially to post false information
  • Passing yourself off as another user to harass or besmirch them or their reputation

Passing yourself off as anyone else is not generally acceptable, and if it is someone who has been suspended or banned, it may lead to your account being banned

This is intended to make sure that all official information comes from admin accounts, and not someone else. This includes posting official information on a friend’s account, or even an alternate one. Make sure that if you are posting information, you do it from your administrator or moderator account. This also goes for ban-evaders, if someone tries to impersonate them, we will assume it is them trying to evade the ban. Example: Hey everyone, it’s EDFDarkAngel1 on a friend’s account. I wanted to tell you about some of the upcoming site changes…

Added Rules:

Name Changes
Suggested Suspension Length: 3 days
This category includes:

  • Common names are not reserved, if you give up a common name through a name change we will not help you get it back
    • Unique names are reserved for 14 days

Common names (like names of popular characters and common words, e.g. "Charizard") are free to be taken by someone else after a name change and we will not help you get it back. More leeway will be given for more unique names (e.g. "SamCollie313" or "TheFlattestPumpkin") in the event that someone "steals" it.

This is intended to help give users some leeway with their username. We will help if a unique name is lost for any reason, but we will not offer assistance if it happens to a very generic name.

Solicitation
Suggested Suspension Length: 7 days

This category includes:

  • Soliciting personal or otherwise confidential information of another user or users.
  • Requesting, demanding, or offering to trade real life photographs, videos, or any other form of media from another user or users
  • Requesting, demanding, or offering to trade information from another user or users

If someone asks you for your own personal photos or other personal information, do not answer them and report the comment, blip, forum post, or dmail to the staff!

This is intended to keep the pagesite safe and secure for all our users. While we are not going to discipline any users for reasonable requests, such as a what they had for breakfast, or pictures of their world famous chili recipe, we do allow users to report any incidents that appear to act against the best intentions of the site.

Please let us know what you think of those. As always, feedback on spelling is most welcome.

Edit: Fixed some typos because I'm stupid, fixed an entirely wrong sentence because I suck at pasting.


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So I can't ironically say "send nudes" anymore? lol


FoxyBomb said:
So I can't ironically say "send nudes" anymore? lol

If it's clear that it's meant as a joke we may give leeway.


Solicitation

(...) This is intended to keep the page safe and secure for all our users (...)

Shouldn't this read "to keep the site safe and secure"?


NotMeNotYou said:
Please let us know what you think of those.

Somebody must have gotten creative at trolling.

Oh and the rule changes. The first rule with the new changes could be just "Deliberately passing yourself as another person" unless you really want to point out which cases are especially unacceptable.


Looks good, :D

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NotMeNotYou said:
If someone asks you for your own personal photos or other personal information, do not answer them and report the comment, blip, forum post, or dmail to the staff!

What if it's consensual? I'm guessing you would ask those in question to take it to another platform?

This sucks, I can't casually ask for the age of a suspected underage person anymore now. :P


NotMeNotYou said:
New Code of Conduct Update!

Changed Rule:

Added Rules:

Please let us know what you think of those. As always, feedback on spelling is most welcome.

Edit: Fixed some typos because I'm stupid, fixed an entirely wrong sentence because I suck at pasting.

No worries. I always make sure to post as myself, and I am not affiliated with any businesses. Though, what happens if someone hacks your account? What happens to them?


Mdf said:
What if it's consensual? I'm guessing you would ask those in question to take it to another platform?

This sucks, I can't casually ask for the age of a suspected underage person anymore now. :P

If it's consensual it'd be better that happens outside of this page. Would also be in your best interest because we can't delete dmails and stuff, meaning you'd leave permanent traces somewhere on the internet. It's better to use services with end-to-end encryption for sharing personal data.
Past that we only care if it's reported as unwanted, if they're wanted I highly assume no party will bring in staff into the matter.

EsalRider said:
Shouldn't this read "to keep the site safe and secure"?

Oh, I'll fix this right away.

DankMeme7 said:
No worries. I always make sure to post as myself, and I am not affiliated with any businesses. Though, what happens if someone hacks your account? What happens to them?

The hacked person needs to contact staff, chances are there will be traces left that will allow us to figure out whether it was the owner of the account or a malicious 3rd party.


NotMeNotYou said:
If it's consensual it'd be better that happens outside of this page. Would also be in your best interest because we can't delete dmails and stuff, meaning you'd leave permanent traces somewhere on the internet. It's better to use services with end-to-end encryption for sharing personal data.
Past that we only care if it's reported as unwanted, if they're wanted I highly assume no party will bring in staff into the matter.

Oh, I'll fix this right away.

The hacked person needs to contact staff, chances are there will be traces left that will allow us to figure out whether it was the owner of the account or a malicious 3rd party.

Okay. Thanks.


NotMeNotYou said:
CoC update

That last part should say:

we do NOT allow users to report any incidents that appear to act against the best intentions of the site.


Syderen said:
That last part should say:

we do NOT allow users to report any incidents that appear to act against the best intentions of the site.

But that makes no sense? We want users to report things that go against the best intentions of the site. What you're proposing would mean they shouldn't report things that have the potential to be harmful.

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Question: What exactly is considered to be a "common word"?
I imagine that 'flush', 'Canada', 'stag_beetle', 'cherry' etc. are included in this category, but my username for example? And words/symbols like 'aerolite', 'Phaseolus_vulgaris', 'Yucatan_peninsula', 'tanto', '54%', 'Mt._Olympus', 'exuviae', 'hygrometer' etc?


We don't have any hard guidelines for that (why even would we?), but if it's a word you would expect to find inside a dictionary, comes from a game, or has a similar public source it's probably going to be common.

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O16 said:
Question: What exactly is considered to be a "common word"?

You can start with these.

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NotMeNotYou said:
We don't have any hard guidelines for that (why even would we?), but if it's a word you would expect to find inside a dictionary, comes from a game, or has a similar public source it's probably going to be common.

Considering that exist "complete" dictionaries for formal and informal english for each english-speaking country and many knowledge sub-fields have their own dictionaries as well; that encompasses almost every word except for the non-popular neologisms.