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Peekaboo said:Isn't that what the DNP list is for? Doesn't that just go under the rules we already have? Or did you mean that as in art commissioned by certain peeps?
Mostly commissioners or character owners, or when we tell someone to stop uploading something specific like Memes.But also against people who feel the need to create way too many pointless threads.
Peekaboo said:Doesn't that go under Tagging Abuse/Tagging Vandalism?
That is under tag vandalism if it is a clear cut case (imagine someone tagging female on a male solo picture) but may be necessary if it could go either way but we decide on one.
I don't see it getting too much use in tagging wars, though, more for community things.
Being unallowed to report older posts seems odd, I don't get why that would be against the rules now.
Usually its art that the artist wishes to post themselves. Some people throw fits when someone uploads their art before they do.
Troxxelcot said:Being unallowed to report older posts seems odd, I don't get why that would be against the rules now.
Because according to them "oh, it's been too long, it doesn't matter anymore."
123easy said:Because according to them "oh, it's been too long, it doesn't matter anymore."
Statute of limitations is a thing, how fair is it to punish someone for a comment they made 2 years ago, that they don't even recall making?Not fair at all.
Seem to be discussing:
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In addition, if a person who is submitting content wishes it for it to be removed, for any reason, within 48 hours, that request will be honored.
Discussion for above CoC amendment.
Halite said:Statute of limitations is a thing, how fair is it to punish someone for a comment they made 2 years ago, that they don't even recall making?Not fair at all.
More like retroactive punishment is unfair, but that only applies to content existing before the above CoC amendment was ratified. For content created after the amendment, the rule assumes a high level of awareness among e621's users and the furry community at large such that wronged individuals would be exposed to the offense and have ample opportunity to decide if the offense warranted reporting. If the content was not reported within 6 months of creation, the rule assumes that, by way of tolerance, the furry community as a whole, including artists, did not deem the content worthy of censure. Thus, the community tacitly accepts the content after 6 months, and its creator becomes beyond administrative reproach. From an even more general perspective, the rule implies that content integrates and solidifies itself in the community after 6 months without complaints, becoming an accepted part of the whole.
Simple version: After 6 months, e621 arbitrarily decides that the furry community accepts content despite any flaws.
However, as a compromise, I believe mods can fairly process reports against content older than 6 months without punishing the would-be offender if the report is otherwise valid.
Why did I type this? lol... Further caveats omitted for "brevity." That was fun.
This is actually talking about just forum posts, not all posts in general. Obviously we definitely still want users to report old image posts if they need to be reported. This will be corrected in the CoC.
abadbird said:...Simple version: After 6 months, e621 arbitrarily decides that the furry community accepts content despite any flaws....
abadbird said:...Simple version: After 6 months, e621 arbitrarily decides that the furry community accepts content despite any flaws.
Lack of quality isn't a reportable offense at any time period.
No, but let me explain why. We want to punish people who intentionally make the site more difficult to use. To that, we punish people who use less than three tags on upload, and who change a post's tags to suit their own personal views (especially if it's against TWYS).
If someone is just not an avid tagger, or doesn't know a post's gender, then I wouldn't want to punish someone for that. Now, if they are uploading a significant amount of content, and this slip-up is causing problems, then a moderator/admin can ask them to start tagging genders.
Obviously, tagging gender is just an example. It could be applied to anything and, as such, leave it open for abuse. The spirit of the rule would fail and it would cease to be effective.
Char said:This is actually talking about just forum posts, not all posts in general. Obviously we definitely still want users to report old image posts if they need to be reported. This will be corrected in the CoC.
If material is condemnable regardless of timeframe, it should be condemned. I don't understand how you can consider this fair.
And CoC changed again, clarified Abuse of Site Tools to specifically mention Forum posts instead of posts.
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In regards to the plagiarism section, what is the difference between "Tracing artwork without consent" and "fan edit"? I have not asked for permission to make posts: #465910, #465926, #466297, #463091 and #423708.
Are these now considered traced artwork and thus against the rules or are they considered fan edits? (If they are against the rules please give me a short while to ask artist for permission before deleting.)
123easy said:If material is condemnable regardless of timeframe, it should be condemned. I don't understand how you can consider this fair.
Change the laws, punish people who broke the law before it was official. GENIUS :o
LionCourt said:In regards to the plagiarism section, what is the difference between "Tracing artwork without consent" and "fan edit"? I have not asked for permission to make posts: #465910, #465926, #466297, #463091 and #423708. Are these now considered traced artwork and thus against the rules or are they considered fan edits? (If they are against the rules please give me a short while to ask artist for permission before deleting.)
LionCourt said:In regards to the plagiarism section, what is the difference between "Tracing artwork without consent" and "fan edit"? I have not asked for permission to make posts: #465910, #465926, #466297, #463091 and #423708.
I'd say they are okay as long as you clearly mark them as edits (by adding the edit tag) and by using the description to state that you edited them yourself (and maybe what you did so people don't have to search).
Otherwise we only really consider them traced if they try to pass it of as their own work.
CamKitty said:Change the laws, punish people who broke the law before it was official. GENIUS :o
Reporting something, and someone getting punished, are two separate things. If someone wants to report a screenshot from two years ago, I would be okay with that. I'm not going to punish the uploader (nor have we been doing that either). If it was done recently, then that would be different.
I see no rules or limitations that the admins and mods must follow, only a rule that we have to do what they say. Maybe I missed it?
Peekaboo said:Isn't that what the DNP list is for? Doesn't that just go under the rules we already have? Or did you mean that as in art commissioned by certain peeps?Doesn't that go under Tagging Abuse/Tagging Vandalism?
Doesn't that go under Tagging Abuse/Tagging Vandalism?
No, since commissioners can't be DNP.
And no, since you aren't really required to provide more than the initial 4 tags per upload. Nothing in the coc against consistently leaving out the artist tag. Now if you do it and we ask you to stop, failure to do so is considered an infraction.
Except the law has always been that if someone's being a really big jerk or overly creepy, report it. Just because it's six months old or older it should be allowed to stand for everyone else to be exposed to their creepiness/massive jerkitude? That's like saying that just because a kid's behaviour has gone on the same way for six months no one should tell him that acting that way is wrong. At the least the post or comment should be removed if found to be outside the rules, even if the original creator of the post is not punished- which is what I'm really getting at. Tired of seeing creepy or assholish posts get waived from ANYTHING being done about them just because they've been there for awhile, even if not many people have even SEEN the post or comment in question.
123easy said:Except the law has always been that if someone's being a really big jerk or overly creepy, report it. Just because it's six months old or older it should be allowed to stand for everyone else to be exposed to their creepiness/massive jerkitude? That's like saying that just because a kid's behaviour has gone on the same way for six months no one should tell him that acting that way is wrong. At the least the post or comment should be removed if found to be outside the rules, even if the original creator of the post is not punished- which is what I'm really getting at. Tired of seeing creepy or assholish posts get waived from ANYTHING being done about them just because they've been there for awhile, even if not many people have even SEEN the post or comment in question.
So you are suggesting that we either punish people for things they said eons ago, or that we should censor people. Imagine seeing a strike show up on your account one day for a comment you left months ago that no one even noticed. Or all the backlash we would get if we started hiding comments just because they were unappealing to look at.
ippiki_ookami said:So you are suggesting that we either punish people for things they said eons ago, or that we should censor people. Imagine seeing a strike show up on your account one day for a comment you left months ago that no one even noticed. Or all the backlash we would get if we started hiding comments just because they were unappealing to look at.
This. I can guarantee almost everyone was a bit of a twat and definitely didn't know tagging/commenting rules when they started here
And this is why I'm not saying they definitely should be punished- but the post shouldn't just be ignored because "oh, it's old." like I've been told god knows how many times when I've found a post or comment that's offensive hidden away in an uncommon section and report it. Why do you think I stopped bothering to help out around the site aside from implications/alias discussions? Because it's a waste of MY time if the moderators just pass up issues that I bring to them.
I agree with ippiki on this one. It would be a huge waste of time to hide everything that people find creepy/jerkish. If the admins went around cleaning all of it up, a lot of people would be banned, or have strikes. Plus, getting a strike for a comment you made like 2 months ago would suck... Thats why I left a number of forums in the past, overly ban happy peeps. Admins can control this kinda thing, while we do our job reporting things, nuff said.
I hope mods also do something about users who don't even bother to tag gender and/or sexual orientation on explicit images anymore. I've noticed it's made the blacklist system a bit less useful than it used to be years ago.
Boku_no_Furfag said:I hope mods also do something about users who don't even bother to tag gender and/or sexual orientation on explicit images anymore. I've noticed it's made the blacklist system a bit less useful than it used to be years ago.
That is something we leave to all the users to handle, not just the admin team. Every user has the ability to fix incorrect/improper tags.
Sound the rules are getting Change RIGHT???????
So, new CoC live.
CoC Changelog April 28th 2014:
Reworded Harassing or Defamatory
Put in that we will actively delete old neutrals after 6 months, if that rule hasn't been broken again, negative records are still there for all eternity.Also clarified the language a bit to bring it in line with how the site itself calls things.
Notifications will be removed after 6 months time if the broken rule has not been violated a second this timeframe.
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So, do we have to request the old neutral warnings be removed? Or are they supposed to go automatically? Or what?
Halite said:So, do we have to request the old neutral warnings be removed? Or are they supposed to go automatically? Or what?
Request is fine. If I was looking at a user's profile to investigate a ticket or whatnot, I usually will delete an old neutral then.
EDFDarkAngel1 said:Request is fine. If I was looking at a user's profile to investigate a ticket or whatnot, I usually will delete an old neutral then.
K, I have 2 old ones, if you have a minute to knock those off.
Halite said:K, I have 2 old ones, if you have a minute to knock those off.