EDFDarkAngel1
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User: EDFDarkAngel1
Date: September 23, 2014

[e621 Code of Conduct] Official changes, questions and answers

In category: General

Hello everyone.

Last week, it was announced that today would be the day that we show what we've been working on. A lot of feedback, a lot of concern, and worry, but I wanted to assure you that these are fixing existing rules and making the others more clear. No more loopholes, no more double-standards.

No one is going to enforce these with an iron fist, everything is going to be regarded with intent. Everything is able to be appealed if there is a dispute and, as always, we are here for you.

Comments and feedback are welcome! Please keep criticism constructive, and absolutely no flaming or hating. If you don't like something, tell us why. If you do like something, tell us why.

Without further adieu...

Current Rules are here.

Newest changes are here.

Granberia
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User: Granberia
Date: September 02, 2017

Creating Duplicate Threads

I think that it would be good idea to make forum more organized and implement better search before taking actions for duplicate threads.

Links to websites that refer to extreme kinks and/or fetishes

So we're not allowed to link to http://e621.net? :P

Other than that and maybe few other points I don't see now that much changes.

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I'm also concerned about how new rules would affect posts under 9/11, sacrilegious, politics and similar tags.


Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Other than that and maybe few other points I don't see now that much changes.

The only major changes I see from before is a more severe look at racism, sexism, trolling, etc. I mean, it did before, but now it is written in stone. E6 is putting on its professional face, so to speak


Some points I think need a little clarification:

advertising

Any non-beneficial, non-approved related businesses, organizations, or websites

I guess that this would include mentioning commission prices on posts etc, not just starting forum topics for advertising?

National hatred

Alluding to symbols of national hatred

+
racial/ethnic hatred

- Alluding to a symbol of racial/ethnic hatred

Not that I approve of that sort of thing, but would this ban art containing swastikas?

Spamming or Trolling

- Excessively communicating the same phrase, similar phrases, or pure gibberish

But I like gibberish :(
And what about pointless combos too?

Under user ranks:

Janitor: Can delete from posts

Is that a typo that should say "forum" not "from"?

EDFDarkAngel1
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In regards to racial and national hate, the admins will be looking at intent. There are countries out there that find the US flag as offensive, just like some people view the swastika.

In the end, it's going to be how it's used. If it's just part of the art, that's fine. If it's used to define hate (a character with a swastika committing acts of violence against a character with the Star of David), then that's something else. It will be on a case-by-case basis.

Also, about typos... I tried to catch them all, but yeah. Thank you in advance for getting those. I'll fix them all when we go over feedback later this week.


This is beginning to sound like mass censorship.


Renard_Queenston said:
This is beginning to sound like mass censorship.

Any reason why?


Wolframite said:
Any reason why?

It just... does, you know?

ippiki ookami
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It seems weird that only the lead admin can appeal bans. If I'm a little too hard on someone with a ban (which has totally never happened before :P) then they should come to me since I made the decision. Why bother the lead with petty issues that can be handled on a lower level? That's the whole point of a chain of command.


ippiki_ookami said:
It seems weird that only the lead admin can appeal bans. If I'm a little too hard on someone with a ban (which has totally never happened before :P) then they should come to me since I made the decision. Why bother the lead with petty issues that can be handled on a lower level? That's the whole point of a chain of command.

If I were your lead admin, I'd want users appealing bans directly to me so I could know if the admin that banned them screwed up, and if anything needs to be done about that.

If the lead admin is telling you "I will handle all ban appeals, you don't have to worry about them"... fucking take that deal, man. :P


CamKitty said:
The only major changes I see from before is a more severe look at racism, sexism, trolling, etc. I mean, it did before, but now it is written in stone. E6 is putting on its professional face, so to speak

This. e6 now just needs a mission and vision statements (if they don't have one already)

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
In regards to racial and national hate, the admins will be looking at intent. There are countries out there that find the US flag as offensive, just like some people view the swastika.

Really? US flag offensive? The only thing I've have found a bit offensive is the mexican flag, but just when it is used like clothing. I mean, it is not meant to be used that way (as most flags) btw, I'm mexican, in case you have'nt noticed.

In the end, it's going to be how it's used. If it's just part of the art, that's fine. If it's used to define hate (a character with a swastika committing acts of violence against a character with the Star of David), then that's something else. It will be on a case-by-case basis.

Even if it falls in the rule of funny or rule of cool? I mean, it could be like cartoony, whacking somebody with their own symbol for comedic reasons

Also, about typos... I tried to catch them all, but yeah. Thank you in advance for getting those. I'll fix them all when we go over feedback later this week.

Most browsers have a spell checking option

Edit: This should be stickied, no?


ippiki_ookami said:
It seems weird that only the lead admin can appeal bans. If I'm a little too hard on someone with a ban (which has totally never happened before :P) then they should come to me since I made the decision. Why bother the lead with petty issues that can be handled on a lower level? That's the whole point of a chain of command.

Guess the point is that the admin who placed the ban could be biased towards an appeal. Generally I think most people prefer to go to someone higher up the chain of command to complain or appeal about things, doesn't make any difference to the decision really it just makes people feel like they're being treated better.

Renard_Queenston said:
It just... does, you know?

Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.

Xch3l said:
This. e6 now just needs a mission and vision statements (if they don't have one already)

Already had a (derailed) discussion about this actually, and the suggestion to make the mission statement more visible has been posted in the feature suggestion thread.
https://e926.net/forum/show/84867


Xch3l said:

Even if it falls in the rule of funny or rule of cool? I mean, it could be like cartoony, whacking somebody with their own symbol for comedic reasons

It comes down to a bit of common sense, honestly. If somebody uploads an image or makes a post that clearly shows intent of hatred and angst and all that good stuff, then yeah.. Obviously we have an issue. If its artwork or funny stuff or even a parody, that would be quite alright.


Yeah, I missed the sentence where it said "These won't be enforced with a iron fist", so sorry for the whole "Ermagerd censoringz" on my part.


Peekaboo said:
As long as these rules aren't enforced too strictly, I don't see anything that wrong with it all. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I just don't want E6 to turn into too srs bsns.
By the way, does this also affect the IRC chat?

Apparently not:

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
...In addition, these guidelines are not enforced on the e621 IRC channel, or similar off-site social channels. Likewise, any guidelines in use for the e621 IRC channels, or similar off-site social channels will not affect your access on the forums or website.

Pyke
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And we got all of our panties in a bunch for nothing. :p


If you feel that you should get promoted based on your efforts, you can contact the website administration via the Contact Us page and request it.

I hope we're not just giving out promotions are we? Users should earn it instead of requesting it


TheHuskyK9 said:
I hope we're not just giving out promotions are we? Users should earn it instead of requesting it

Yet we often only see the bad people and not the good.
Bad people get reported, but how do we see the good ones?


NotMeNotYou said:
Yet we often only see the bad people and not the good.
Bad people get reported, but how do we see the good ones?

Maybe a nomination dealie? Similar to reporting, but just saying, hey check out this user being awesome


CamKitty said:
Maybe a nomination dealie? Similar to reporting, but just saying, hey check out this user being awesome

It's funny because I don't think there's anything about the current reporting system that says it's ONLY for reporting bad behavior. You can just as easily use the tools we already have for reporting GOOD behavior. I think people just assume that you're only supposed to report bad things. :P

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Date: September 02, 2017

Char said:
It's funny because I don't think there's anything about the current reporting system that says it's ONLY for reporting bad behavior. You can just as easily use the tools we already have for reporting GOOD behavior. I think people just assume that you're only supposed to report bad things. :P

It might have something to do with the fact that tickets are named like:
Comment Complaint
User Complaint
etc.

ippiki ookami
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TheHuskyK9 said:
I hope we're not just giving out promotions are we? Users should earn it instead of requesting it

Furthermore, I hope it's decided by the staff who deal with the users and know their history rather than the BD management.


Illegal Drugs or Activities
This category includes:
- Forum threads or comments that references to abusing illegal drugs
- Forum threads or comments that references to performing illegal activities

Will this affect images that feature drug use?


Suineder said:
Will this affect images that feature drug use?

Don't think so, it only mentions forum threads or comments, whereas other rules include posts.


Suineder said:
Will this affect images that feature drug use?

This actually cam up in the racism part. Art is fine and is exempt except for stuff directly attacking someone else. That's what I get from this anyways

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
It might have something to do with the fact that tickets are named like:
Comment Complaint
User Complaint
etc.

This. I have thought about nominating before, but the system comes off as something I would get smacked for if not reporting bad behaviour


Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
It might have something to do with the fact that tickets are named like:
Comment Complaint
User Complaint
etc.

Ah you're correct. I was just thinking about the "Report" link that you find for users and comments, which doesn't necessarily imply a complaint. However, they're listed in complaints in the system as well as when you're filling one out. Perhaps we should remove the "negative" aspect of these and just have them simply as "Report User" and "Report Comment" and such.


Char said:
Ah you're correct. I was just thinking about the "Report" link that you find for users and comments, which doesn't necessarily imply a complaint. However, they're listed in complaints in the system as well as when you're filling one out. Perhaps we should remove the "negative" aspect of these and just have them simply as "Report User" and "Report Comment" and such.

"Report for Awesome" and "Report for negative Awesome".


I have several questions about this.

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Advertising
This category includes:
- Any non-beneficial, non-approved related businesses, organizations, or websites
- Can be linked with Spamming or Trolling if it is used multiple times in a short period of time

If you're an artist (I'm not, but I know people who are) does this include advertising your own commissions? And when I ask this, I mostly mean within the comments section of said artist's own posts. Is this no longer allowed?

Circumventing a Suspension / Ban
This category includes:
- Posting on another account
- Having someone post on your behalf
*If someone is found to have violated this rule, they will be banned with no appeal, regardless of previous disciplinary action

Ok lets say my brother or my dad got himself banned, and we all still live in the same house (yeah yeah I know, but I've at least got a job and he's still in college, it's just easier to stay at home). Does this mean that if an administrator decides to check my IP and sees that it matches my newly banned family member's, I'll automatically be banned and be unable to even appeal just because it looks like I might be my dad or my bro on a new account?

Discussing Disciplinary Actions
This category includes:
- Creating forum posts or threads to discuss disciplinary actions taken against a member, including chat logs and email correspondence between a member and an administrator/moderator
- Creating forum threads to discuss disciplinary actions taken against a content post, or other submission to the site
*Link to public records is located at https://e926.net/user_record
*If you have a question about a disciplinary action, please contact the admin or site owner via dmail

This scares me a little. Especially if something like the above were to happen. This is basically saying that if I e-mail admins about my situation and they felt like saying "screw you, too bad" then I'm not even allowed to argue in a place where others who know of similar situations could voice their problems too. If there is corruption among the admins (thank god that doesn't seem to be the case here, but if it were to ever happen) this would just help hide the fact. Still, I see how/why this one is necessary. I'm not arguing against it, and I trust the staff we have as of right now, I'm just voicing my concern.

Distribution of Real-Life Personal Information
This category includes:
- Releasing or assisting in releasing any real-life information about other members or employees of Bad Dragon, Dragonfruit, or e621
*If someone is found to have violated this rule, they will be banned with no appeal, regardless of previous disciplinary action

What all does this entail? And are we allowed to release information about ourselves? For example, if I mention something like the fact that my brother is 19 (lets say that in context this revelation was relevant to something) and then later mention his username, will that get me banned?

Extreme Sexuality / Violence
This category includes:
- Links to websites that refer to extreme kinks and/or fetishes

The other two bullet points mentioned "real-life". This one does not. Now I understand that we're not to post links to such other websites, but the fact that this one singles out fetishes in general has me worried... we're not eliminating fetish art here are we? And what about links to sources on art? If the source pages are from websites that include these things are we to not link to the source?

Harassing or Defamatory
This category includes:
- Insultingly refer to other people, employees of Bad Dragon, Dragonfruit, or e621, or any groups of people
- Result in ongoing harassment to other people, employees of Bad Dragon, Dragonfruit, or e621, or any groups of people
*This will be rendered against intent as well as action. The idea is to prevent a member from being uncomfortable in the forums or on the site.

Does this mean anti-brony art and the like are now banned? Or just that defending and further bashing are both prohibited? Also are those of us who've using insulting language in the past going to get in trouble for it? Or will disciplinary action only happen to those who commented after the rules are official? Also I'm curious, while it is bad manners to show displeasure for a post (it's better to just blacklist and move on!), would making a comment like "I don't like scat, it's so gross" on a scat post count as insulting?

Major Religions, Religious Figures, Political Parties, or Political Figures
This category includes:
- Any discussion regarding major religions or religious figures
- Any discussion regarding major political parties or political figures

I have a lot of questions regarding this one. Does this make "JESUS! I wasn't expecting THAT to happen!" comments illegal? What about "Oh my Lord"? Are comics and pictures that include religious aspects now banned? If they're not, then are we allowed to discuss the characters? For example let's say there's a comic about an angel blowing Jesus. Are we allowed to talk about the in-comic Jesus? What if someone posts something like a demon mutilating a religious figure? Is that allowed? If it is, are we allowed to POLITELY mention that we find it disrespectful or distasteful?

National Hatred
This category includes:
- Promoting national hatred
- Creating posts or threads with recognized national slurs
- Creating posts or threads with hateful content
- Alluding to symbols of national hatred

Does this include activism? Anonymous (the group)? What about comics that deal with these topics? What if the comics include them, but in the long run are about overcoming them?

Illegal Drugs or Activities
This category includes:
- Forum threads or comments that references to abusing illegal drugs
- Forum threads or comments that references to performing illegal activities

Again, does this extend to the art? Or only to real-life references? What if we were former drug users and we wish to talk about how we moved past it and how badly it hurt our lives and loved ones? Is something like that allowed?

Spamming or Trolling
This category includes:
- Numbering a thread, IBTL, TL;DR, or any other fad statements

We're not allowed to number threads? Not even to organize our thoughts/ideas? What about bulleted lists? These are helpful for addressing multiple parts of what someone else has said. As for tl;dr, as a reply to someone's long thought out comment I can see how that would be rude, however, are we allowed to use it ourselves after a long comment we ourselves have written in order to post a summery of what we've said for those who won't read the whole thing?

Now for all of these, I should point out, I am not necessarily asking just for myself. For example, I don't know if my brother or dad have accounts here, and if they did I doubt they'd get themselves banned. However, I would still like to know the answers to these on the off chance that they should happen and/or are relevant to any of my friends.

EDIT: Made it collapsible since it was taking up so much of the page.

Sorry for the incredibly long comment, and thanks :)


told you it was censorship


kkpkkpk said:

Spamming or Trolling
This category includes:
- Numbering a thread, IBTL, TL;DR, or any other fad statements

Can't say much about the rest but this isn't against organizing one's posts but against the "First!" "Second!" "TL;DR" Spammer and all those people.