Anyone else feel guilty for enjoying yiff involving underage characters?

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Before anyone tries to give me legal or psychology lesson, I am not making any implications that cub yiff is synonymous with child porn because it isn't.

That said, I would like your thoughts on artists deliberately putting characters who are too young for sexual interactions (compared to their real life contemporaries, whether they be human or animal) in pictures and comics. I personally am having a moral dilemma, in that I have enjoyed artwork by artists like Hamartist, Aogami and Swizzlestix, to name a few, but feel there is something wrong in doing so. The younger characters depicted by these artists aren't Rule 34, which I see as parody anyway, so the artists themselves created the characters specifically for pornographic works. I feel wrong for liking them so much and getting off to such images. The artwork is often so well done and creative,sometimes hilarious and sometimes innovative, but the idea of putting children of any species (real or fictional) in sexual situations that would be rough for adults is morally debilitating. Worse yet, it makes me upset with the artists for making them to begin with when they could have easily used adult characters instead. It makes me wonder if they might be up to some shady shit in their spare time, if you catch my drift. Of course, I admit it's unfair to assume such things, but it's not without merit. [EDIT] I suppose merit is a poor word choice. Perhaps rationale or understanding fits better. I am only human and apologize for giving credence to the idea of accusing artists of wrong doing. When I feel worried or distraught, I guess I try connecting dots that likely aren't there. I mean no disrespect to artists just trying to make a living.

I know I'm looking too much into it, but I guess I just want reassurance that it's not so unusual or bizarre and that I am not a special brand of fucked in the head.

Just to reiterate, I am not seeking out cub work. It just so happens that I enjoy some art involving cub material due to the art style or subject matter on display. I would enjoy said works if they didn't involve cub, maybe more so.

Your thoughts?

Dogenzaka
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19 days ago

Nope. I know that thoughts can't hurt anyone, so it doesn't matter to me. If it were drawn porn that used real children as models, then yes. Otherwise, it's just lines on paper.

Munkelzahn
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19 days ago

ABrokenEyePatch said:
Your thoughts?

do you feel sexually attracted to real-life, human children?
or just drawn cubes


if you like cubes just play minercraft


ABrokenEyePatch said:
Anyone else feel guilty for enjoying yiff involving underage characters?

Not at all.

Ho shit the FBI is knocking at my door

Ruku
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well you see, you already make a mistake in defining what is too young, each culture, society and nation now, in the past or in the future will have a different definition for that or approach to it, is everyone that disagrees with your definition wrong or sick? no one is right or wrong.

i for one would not feel guilty viewing or drawing teens or children who happen to be depicted in a sexual manner. And yes that does include both fictional and depictions based off of real life.

As far as art goes artists should be able to depict the world how it really is and that would include unsavory parts of the world that mainstream would like to hide, ignore or forget they are apart of like rape, non-consent, slavery, genocide and what we perceive as children drawn in a sexual matter among other things.

what should matter in regards to any kind of persecution, are their actions in real life not their thoughts that may be put on paper/canvas...
actions in real life that are in relation to a persons consent, consent as far as im concerned can be made by any age that can speak and has a self perception of their body.you dont need be 18 for that.


Munkelzahn said:
do you feel sexually attracted to real-life, human children?
or just drawn cubes

Well, that is one way to put it. However, couldn't that argument be voided when one considers the content over the manner it is presented? An illustration of a meal may not be edible but it does remind me that I am hungry as much as a real food would, thus having the same effect. Don't get me wrong, my sexual interests with other adults has nothing to do with my preference in art and my kinks/fetishes, but for the artists, wouldn't there be some internal implications for drawing younger characters rather than slightly older ones? Wouldn't there also be implications for people who seek out such art because of cub involvement? I don't want to feel any association to that sort of thinking and wish I could forget about it but I can't help liking what I enjoy and feeling guilty about it.

Munkelzahn
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18 days ago

Darou said:
consent as far as im concerned can be made by any age that can speak and has a self perception of their body.

if it can tawk
it can suck my cawk


I draw shota furry stuff myself and enjoy it to a degree, soooooo not really.
As long as it's 100% fantasy and not rl or based off it in any way, I have no reason to feel guilty for it.

Why would I feel guilty over underaged characters that aren't even real in the first place?


I felt guilty about porn in general once, too. I think what you're willing to accept that you find attractive is a personal, internal debate you go through over the years. In general I'm very comfortable with myself and my tastes now, having gone through that debate. Like you, I don't seek out loli/cub/shota art, but I like the occasional piece. It's not strictly the underage characters that make it appealing. For example I have no interest in shota specifically, but straight shota is really hot, not because of the underage character, but because of the fantasy of a more mature, experienced partner, etc. The themes around age differences and/or age play can be quite enticing as fantasies, that's all.

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Guilt's as weird a thing as enjoyment.

It's not weird to feel guilty. It's not weird to enjoy it.

I could go on about this oen for a bit, but... generally: when we find something sexy, it's because our lizard brain says "yes!"... that lizard brain saying 'yes' isn't bad. But giving into it's impulses can be. Lizard brain has arguments with human brain, about what's okay and what's not. Lizard brain says "YES SEXY" (especially when a cub is drawn enjoying themselves, or with human, or even adult shaped genitals) ... and the human brain says NO IT"S NOT OKAY WE"RE BAD PEOPLE OH MY GOD WHATS WRONG WITH YOU and.. well, that's just us.

Fuck, I had an arguement with my lizard brain about if I really needed more candied yams earlier.

Lizard brain says: DELICIOUS GOOD YUM MORE PLZ...
human brain says: But we're full. and fat, so we don't need to eat more. it's full of carbs.
lizard brain says: DELICIOUS FORBIDDEN CARBS OM NOM NOM NOM
Human brain says: Fuck. what kind of gluttonous pig am I? I have no self control. What's wrong with me? Why do I want to hurt myself?
Lizard brain says: OOOOO BROWNIES

Same dealio. but different, obviously. Lizard brain's kinda a dick.

ABrokenEyePatch said:
Worse yet, it makes me upset with the artists for making them to begin with when they could have easily used adult characters instead. It makes me wonder if they might be up to some shady shit in their spare time, if you catch my drift. Of course, I admit it's unfair to assume such things, but it's not without merit.

It is very much without merit.

Seriously. Please don't do that. Lots of people are out there doing shady shit. but most artists? are just drawing compelling images. Please don't accuse people of child abuse without evidence.

Please.

I enjoy cub artwork sometimes. It appeals to parts of my lizard brain. I would murder anyone who dared lay a finger on my niece. I have no attraction in the slightest to real life children. Having rape fantasies doesn't mean you will rape someone, want to be raped, or will participate in a rape. There are always assholes who will do what they want regardless of the morality of it--but kids are basically really offlimits.

In my long, long years on the internet... I think I've met... 2 or 3 people who've made me worry about the children near them. And many many many more who just enjoy the artwork, or roleplay or whatever. I've known some who use it as a way to deal with their own abuse. (after all, it's nice to fantasize about someone who was in your position actually enjoying themselves.) ...

Most people are not into messing with kids. and the accusation's a really serious one that can destroy people and lives.

bottomline: if you don't like it, don't look at it! If you feel too guilty, then stop viewing it. It's okay if you do that. It's okay if you look at it, like it, then feel bad later. You gotta find peace with yourself. Don't transfer your feelings of guilt to the people who created content for you to enjoy.

SnowWolf
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ABrokenEyePatch said:
An illustration of a meal may not be edible but it does remind me that I am hungry as much as a real food would, thus having the same effect.

Y'know, I tend to get on youtube viewing kicks. I watch something neat and end up watching a bazillion videos about it. A few months ago, it was street food. Not new york hotdog stands, but like, India, Korea, Thailand... You've have these people out there making food in big batches, selling it to people. it was really .... soothing to watch. (I grew up in a heavily asian area-- I find the chatter of oriental languages to generally be soothing.) .... the thing is.. a lot of the time? I had no idea what they were cooking. There's an egg involved, some spices, that's probably oil or something. That's some white fluff and some chicken. .... but what the food was? how it tasted? Mystery to me.

Yet, despite only seeing food, not understanding what it, as food, was.... it looked delicious. It coudl have tasted like ass for all I knew. But it looked AMAZING even if it probably would give me an upset stomach and was unsanitary. I still wanted it, in principal, and made me hungry, even if I would probably dislike it if it was in a bowl in front of me.


Bla bla bla, who cares about pixels.


First I have to say I kinda TL;DR most of this thread, but I most certainly hope that there's nobody starting the arguments about pedofilia over cub porn. I'm not outside shooting guns just because I like to play FPS games.

Many considering anthro furries as bestiality already. So if you are feeling guilty on the notion that how others or society in general are judging the rightfullness of where you get your enjoyment from then you have already crossed the line when being in here and watching explicit rated posts. As long as your fantasies doesn't have any negative real life impact for you or anyone else, doing something you enjoy shouldn't have any issues, feeling guilt over of something you would like to enjoy will most likely just depress you which will have negative impact on you.

Also many artists create their underage characters to have mental capacity and sexual drive of young adults with no mental restrains, but in smaller and cuter form factor - characters which are essentially designed to be liked. Some even accompany humor which could only work with that kind of characters, I really like explicit furry humor in general just because of how absurd it can become at times.

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I have my blacklist here empty, because even if I do not personally like many things here, funnily enough ponies being at the top of the list over other stuff, I'm really hard to get disgusted by much anything and moreso fascinated on the aspects of things that make users like something here. With cubs it really is usually the characters insanely unrealistic design which can easily make them attractable.


Guilty? Absolutely not, if no one is getting hurt there's nothing to feel guilty about. That said, there's a difference between guilty and just a bad feeling - just because you haven't done anything wrong doesn't mean you can't have mixed feelings about what you're looking at. Aogami has uploaded a particularly abusive set recently and if you're talking about that kind of thing, I get how you feel.

Something might excite you sexually, but emotionally isn't something you enjoy - people can be conflicted inside and like|not like something, and contrary to popular psychology, that doesn't just mean they're repressed. If you feel like it's a feeling that doesn't do any lasting harm, then try to relax, but if it really bothers you, I suggest taking advantage of this site's robust blacklist feature to hide only images tagged 'young' that also have tags associated with abuse.


It's halal, like my yogurt


Can't feel guilty about what you can't enjoy n_n


I'm Chris Hansen, why don't you take a seat over there?


This has been enlightening. Thanks for the input.


Nope, nothing to feel guilt over. I like cute animals, both feral and with a few features of the human body, slap some genitals on em and it also fulfills my primitive carnal desires. Is that "weird", sure, but kinks in and of themselves are "weird" sexual perversions that go outside the norm, we all got one, so why feel guilty about em?

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They're not real.


I honestly have no idea what guilt feels like, anywho I think sometimes putting a younger character in an image can make for a cuter scene such as someone just playing naked or swimming whereas if it was an adult character it might seem more sexual than cute.


Not really, because they aren't real.

However if I hear of anybody seriously doing stuff to kids that they shouldn't be doing, I automatically want to kick their teeth out. Reality is scarier than fiction, which all of these drawings are.


Jayfiregrowlithe said:
As long as it's 100% fantasy and not rl or based off it in any way, I have no reason to feel guilty for it.

Agreed. I also feel RL porn involving humans is guilt inducing at any age. Besides reality could never live up to fantasy. Trust the kinky vore fun on that.


Lance_Armstrong said:
It's halal, like my yogurt

What is considered Halal(acceptable)in Islamic Law
-Child wives
-Sex with animals(as long as you kill the animal after)
-Killing infidels
-Throwing homosexuals off of buildings
Based Islam, the chad religion.

Telhem said:
I also feel RL porn involving humans is guilt inducing at any age.

There is nothing wrong with 19 year old+ cam girls/porn stars. At least I hope that's what you meant.


ThoughtCrime said:
There is nothing wrong with 19 year old+ cam girls/porn stars. At least I hope that's what you meant.

A job where your boss treats you as expendable and berates you daily if they're not 100% satisfied with your appearance, attitude, and performance (and they never are), your coworkers are only concerned with themselves and will throw you under the bus in an instant if it benefits them, people look at you with disdain when they know what you do and make callous jokes about it whether they know or not, and when you go home after work, you cry in misery at how your life has come to a place where you need to do something you hate this much just to survive, valued not as a person in the slightest, only for the money you can earn your employer.

That's what a lot of people think the adult entertainment industry is like. I don't know for myself either way - I imagine there are some nice jobs and some bad jobs but I don't know how the ratio leans. But I will say this: I also just described your typical food service/retail job, as well as labor conditions at the third world suppliers our marketplace draws from greedily. To the people who shun RL porn, I ask: do you also boycott all businesses that use minimum wage-slaves as the backbone of their operations? I doubt it, otherwise you'd probably be living in a cabin in the woods with no electricity or internet access.

Not aiming to say that anyone here is terrible or should feel terrible, by the way. Boycott or not, do what helps you sleep at night, just don't be self-righteous about it if you also hold double standards, is all I'm saying.


Violet_Rose said:
A job where your boss treats you as expendable and berates you daily if they're not 100% satisfied with your appearance, attitude, and performance (and they never are), your coworkers are only concerned with themselves and will throw you under the bus in an instant if it benefits them, people look at you with disdain when they know what you do and make callous jokes about it whether they know or not, and when you go home after work, you cry in misery at how your life has come to a place where you need to do something you hate this much just to survive, valued not as a person in the slightest, only for the money you can earn your employer.

That's what a lot of people think the adult entertainment industry is like. I don't know for myself either way - I imagine there are some nice jobs and some bad jobs but I don't know how the ratio leans. But I will say this: I also just described your typical food service/retail job, as well as labor conditions at the third world suppliers our marketplace draws from greedily. To the people who shun RL porn, I ask: do you also boycott all businesses that use minimum wage-slaves as the backbone of their operations? I doubt it, otherwise you'd probably be living in a cabin in the woods with no electricity or internet access.

Not aiming to say that anyone here is terrible or should feel terrible, by the way. Boycott or not, do what helps you sleep at night, just don't be self-righteous about it if you also hold double standards, is all I'm saying.

the adult industry is fine. they're adults, if shit sucks they can walk


I wish we can show these arguments to the leaders of FN and FA for them to reconsider, but alas, they probably won't listen anyways.


notawerewolf said:
the adult industry is fine. they're adults, if shit sucks they can walk

The modern job market doesn't work like that. If you have a shitty job, you can try to work and educate your way out of it with the energy it leaves you, but in a huge number of places, bouncing between workplaces until one doesn't suck is an unaffordable luxury. Again, though, that's not an adult industry problem, it applies to every industry where the supply of potential employees exceeds the demand for them and employers can make the deal worse without repercussion.

404OilDrum said:
I wish we can show these arguments to the leaders of FN and FA for them to reconsider, but alas, they probably won't listen anyways.

FA, at least, banned cub art because their donation payment processor, AlertPay, blocked them for hosting it, citing the potential legal costs if they ever had to defend their association with it in court. They decided to cut their losses instead of begging around for another way to support the site; it was a financial decision in the face of discrimination, not anything faux-moralistic.

I don't really think it's fair to blame them for, in their eyes, putting the site's survival before principle. Yes, they might have been wrong or been able to find another way, but the alternative would be FA hosting cub art for a little while, then going under, and as a result, still not hosting it.


That's what a lot of people think the adult entertainment industry is like. I don't know for myself either way

If you want to find out, I'd suggest Mercedes Carrera's interview with Gad Saad . Covers topics like what is it actually like to work in the field (similar to game playtesting -- there are fun parts but it's not actually as fun as you'd imagine), economics/competition (mostly women get to take parts that suit their kinks, it's less the case for men -- higher performance pressure and fewer male actors), psychology of consuming porn, effects on relationships while/after working in the porn industry.. She's pretty sharp IMO


Violet_Rose said:
The modern job market doesn't work like that. If you have a shitty job, you can try to work and educate your way out of it with the energy it leaves you, but in a huge number of places, bouncing between workplaces until one doesn't suck is an unaffordable luxury. Again, though, that's not an adult industry problem, it applies to every industry where the supply of potential employees exceeds the demand for them and employers can make the deal worse without repercussion.
FA, at least, banned cub art because their donation payment processor, AlertPay, blocked them for hosting it, citing the potential legal costs if they ever had to defend their association with it in court. They decided to cut their losses instead of begging around for another way to support the site; it was a financial decision in the face of discrimination, not anything faux-moralistic.

I don't really think it's fair to blame them for, in their eyes, putting the site's survival before principle. Yes, they might have been wrong or been able to find another way, but the alternative would be FA hosting cub art for a little while, then going under, and as a result, still not hosting it.

So your saying FA is innocent because it was a financial decision? Even when that ban was just one of a MILLION fuck ups, screw ups, and bad decisions they made over the years? That they're not doing anything to milk more money? I'm pretty sure the people of this site know that the leaders of FA have no interest in the well being of their community, Jasonafex and Kabier are the leading example of that.

That still doesn't explained why Weasyl and Furry Network banned cub and Inkbunny, Sofurry, and E621 didn't. If furry sites are at financial risk of hosting cub, why do some sites ban it and some don't?