A question if i may, does anyone know what are the chances of ISPs blocking/throttling sites like E621 and Furaffinity?

Porn, which is a VERY lucrative business could be merely upped to a higher access price, but furry content could be blocked alltogather (provided some ultra-conservative groups get a say in how things would be handled).

I don't mean to stir panic, but considering how things in america currently are, it wouldn't surprise me if certain "decadent and/or depraved" content would start getting censored.


Haljkljavahlibrz said:
A question if i may, does anyone know what are the chances of ISPs blocking/throttling sites like E621 and Furaffinity?

Porn, which is a VERY lucrative business could be merely upped to a higher access price, but furry content could be blocked alltogather (provided some ultra-conservative groups get a say in how things would be handled).

I don't mean to stir panic, but considering how things in america currently are, it wouldn't surprise me if certain "decadent and/or depraved" content would start getting censored.

I was actually thinking that earlier yesterday while writing the script for my next video, and I was honestly considering putting it in the video. However, a lot of my viewers are normies and wouldn't appreciate the furry reference.


20-Shades-Of-Faux-Pa said:
I was actually thinking that earlier yesterday while writing the script for my next video, and I was honestly considering putting it in the video. However, a lot of my viewers are normies and wouldn't appreciate the furry reference.

Who knows, maybe some of your normie viewers aren't so ''normy'' (ofc it would be a somewhat stealthy reference) ;).

Anyway, the problem with us is that there are so few of truly furry sites - FA, Inkbunny, Sofurry, Furrynetwork, E621. Also, it only takes one person with two brain cells to go to wikifur, look up the list of practically all furry sites (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Website_stubs), make a list of them and start blocking away. I hear that Russians and Chinese have somewhat substantial sites, but i really don't feel like learning cyrilic or hanzi :/


PheagleAdler said:
Yes, we're all greedy for wanting to be able to access all websites fairly.

You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-


Queen_Tyr'ahnee said:
Net Neutrality itself, or the act of trying to repeal it? Because Net Neutrality is what is keeping ISPs from throttling the internet unless you pay more and disallowing them from playing favorites by slowing down content they don't like, thus allowing all internet content an equal chance of being seen and enjoyed. Would you want to pay more money on top of what you already pay for the internet to enjoy whatever content you want? Without Net Neutrality that would be your reality.

Oh, I didn’t think of that.


I'm just waiting for Altice to fuck things up for us. I have SuddenLink, which many would consider one of the "smaller guys," but they throttled the connections of people who used Netflix instead of bundling their Internet with the company's cable services. That was 2 or 3 years ago.


You all do realize that we lived in a world without Net neutrality from the time the internet was created to 2015 and The "Fast lane" problem that everyone thinks of, happened rarely if ever...this is why I think that Net Neutrality doesn't do anything useful.
Also if corporations are engaging in predatory actions against each other(Comcast throttling Netflix or Facetime)They have a part of the government to deal with that called The Federal Trade Commission(FTC).
Thirdly, Net Neutrality itself is propagated by people that do not understand how traffic flows across a network, such as the internet. Commonly, High Priority is given to things that require a low amount of latency (Like your facetime and skype), because latency in these applications is not tolerable. Low Priority is used for applications that don't need low latency(like File sharing and email). These Quality of Service(QoS) techniques are used because there is a limited amount of bandwidth in the internet and they need to make the most of it by prioritizing the applications that need it.
But, anyway I probably could have made this argument more convincing, but i'm out of steam.


The QOS flag on packets has nothing to do with Net Neutrality's bid that all traffic should be treated equally. The internet itself (on the provider's side) is also seldom congested enough that the QOS flag makes an actual difference.

The NN issue is that traffic to specific services isn't throttled just because they didn't pay more for it. Netflix for example had their traffic properly flagged with QOS and still got throttled by Comcast until they sued them.


LemonadeWarrior said:
You all do realize that we lived in a world without Net neutrality from the time the internet was created to 2015

You do realize that the 90s Internet of Geocities was a much different time to the current Internet of web video and commercialization?

You do realize that the only reason why Net Neutrality was approved in 2015 in was in reaction to internet providers increasingly throttling data?


IllinoisBoi1 said:
You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-

How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?


LemonadeWarrior said:
Thirdly, Net Neutrality itself is propagated by people that do not understand how traffic flows across a network, such as the internet.

Learning how traffic flows through the internet was one of my beginners' courses. You're telling us what we already know. Inaccurately.


Furrin_Gok said:
How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?

What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference. Also, you know why I’m annoyed? Because I don’t think someone assuming what I’m saying is acceptable, how would you feel if someone thought you were mad about say for example, Donald Trump and someone said “for you to agree with Hillary Clinton is so dumb”. Wouldn’t that annoy you? Trust me, the last thing I want to do is get banned on this site. I was WAYYYYY worse on YouTube (it was a dangerous addiction which I don’t want to even begin to talk about) and I was still disrespectful on Instagram, so I learned my lesson and I am not trying to start trouble here, not in the slightest. Bottom line is that I’m not mad that he/she didn’t know that, but to assume that I’m typing angry comments at people for no reason is not only annoying, but also inconsiderate.


IllinoisBoi1 said:
What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference.

You.. literally..

IllinoisBoi1 said:
You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-

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SnowWolf said:
You.. literally..

Yeah, about that. So, I meant that I’m mad at internet companies which is a completely separate issue, while I’m not mad about the response I got, I’m talking about two different things.


IllinoisBoi1 said:
Yeah, about that. So, I meant that I’m mad at internet companies which is a completely separate issue, while I’m not mad about the response I got, I’m talking about two different things.

Honey.

This is the exact conversation:

Illinoisboi1 said: Net Neutrality is greedy, stupid, and I completely disagree with it, I can’t believe it even became a thing at all.
PheagleAdler said: Yes, we're all greedy for wanting to be able to access all websites fairly.
IllinoisBoi1 said: You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-
Furrin_Gok said: How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?
IllinoisBoi1 said: What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference.

There's no context here except the conversation that we already have. You said net neutrality is dumb. Net neutrality is the good thing--it's the laws that protected people like us. You MEANT that *needing* net neutrality is dumb, but you didn't SAY that. You said that the *law* was dumb. Which, I understand how you meant it--now. But the way 99% of people will understand it is that you think that the the law is dumb.

That is what Pheagle assumed. So did most of us, I think. That's what Furrin meant when he said "how would we have known that?" because you didn't state your thoughts clearly.

When Furrin said "why are you mad with them?" the 'them' that he was referring to was the internet companies--the entities that you had just SAID you were mad at. So he was asking why you feat that way, not assuming you were angry with Pheagle.

Honey, you seem like a REALLY sweet guy, but you really need to work on speaking your mind a bit more clearly. You've got some good thoughts rattling around in there, but time and again, I see them get a bit jumbled up when you try to communicate them.

You've already said that you've worked hard to be a better commenter in general and that is SO awesome of you. Here's the way to keep on improving :)


SnowWolf said:
Honey.

This is the exact conversation:

Illinoisboi1 said: Net Neutrality is greedy, stupid, and I completely disagree with it, I can’t believe it even became a thing at all.
PheagleAdler said: Yes, we're all greedy for wanting to be able to access all websites fairly.
IllinoisBoi1 said: You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-
Furrin_Gok said: How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?
IllinoisBoi1 said: What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference.

There's no context here except the conversation that we already have. You said net neutrality is dumb. Net neutrality is the good thing--it's the laws that protected people like us. You MEANT that *needing* net neutrality is dumb, but you didn't SAY that. You said that the *law* was dumb. Which, I understand how you meant it--now. But the way 99% of people will understand it is that you think that the the law is dumb.

That is what Pheagle assumed. So did most of us, I think. That's what Furrin meant when he said "how would we have known that?" because you didn't state your thoughts clearly.

When Furrin said "why are you mad with them?" the 'them' that he was referring to was the internet companies--the entities that you had just SAID you were mad at. So he was asking why you feat that way, not assuming you were angry with Pheagle.

Honey, you seem like a REALLY sweet guy, but you really need to work on speaking your mind a bit more clearly. You've got some good thoughts rattling around in there, but time and again, I see them get a bit jumbled up when you try to communicate them.

You've already said that you've worked hard to be a better commenter in general and that is SO awesome of you. Here's the way to keep on improving :)

Ah crap, so that’s what I did wrong. I sincerely apologize for that. I’m not very smart when it comes to those types of things. That’s why this became a problem, see the problem is that I’m trying to be too active and so exact with my number count like how I wanted to get to exactly 20 forum posts or 375 favorites. I have some of that OCD causing problems. :/ also thank you.


IllinoisBoi1 said:
Ah crap, so that’s what I did wrong. I sincerely apologize for that. I’m not very smart when it comes to those types of things. That’s why this became a problem, see the problem is that I’m trying to be too active and so exact with my number count like how I wanted to get to exactly 20 forum posts or 375 favorites. I have some of that OCD causing problems. :/ also thank you.

It's okay :)

We're all 'not smart' in a lot of places... but we get better with time and practice. :) Sometimes when I"m not sure if I'm being clear, I read my post outloud to myself to see if it sounds okay, or just confusion. Sometimes I'll read the whole conversation to see if anything sounds weird, or if I'm confused.

Sometimes that can make me realize that my words don't make sense... and sometimes it can make something that I was confused about make more sense!

Writing is pretty weird when you think about it: we came up with a bunch of mouth sounds that make up a language, so that when I say 'dog,' we both imagine the same sort of animal. Then we came up with weird squiggly shapes that represent these mouth-sounds, all so that if I type "german shepherd" we both image the same, precise sort of animal. It's pretty amazing, honestly. It's no wonder that we get confused sometimes.

But, back to the point: It's okay. You'll get smarter. You'll get better in time. :) No one is ever bad at anything forever, unless they don't try to improve. Some people improve faster or more easily than others, and that's okay. the rest of us jsut need to keep trying and working at our flaws :)

As for OCD... I understand that. OCD is really hard to deal with sometimes. I have problems with OCD and my food--the 'right number' of cookies, the 'right size' of a bite... OCD's difficult. but the first step is acknowledging that you have a problem and not letting it control you. It doesn't hurt me, if I MUST have an even number of cherry tomatos in my salad, but it does hurt me when my brain says that 5 cookies is the right number of cookies. Posting or favoriting things doesn't hurt you--but ask yourself "does it add to the conversation" or "do I really want to post this?" .... I end up deleting about one or two forum posts a day before I send them because I feel like I'm not adding anything to the conversation. And that's okay.

We're all learning to be better people, day by day :) So it's okay. You don't have to be sorry. There's nothing to forgive. Just learn and do better :)


SnowWolf said:
It's okay :)

We're all 'not smart' in a lot of places... but we get better with time and practice. :) Sometimes when I"m not sure if I'm being clear, I read my post outloud to myself to see if it sounds okay, or just confusion. Sometimes I'll read the whole conversation to see if anything sounds weird, or if I'm confused.

Sometimes that can make me realize that my words don't make sense... and sometimes it can make something that I was confused about make more sense!

Writing is pretty weird when you think about it: we came up with a bunch of mouth sounds that make up a language, so that when I say 'dog,' we both imagine the same sort of animal. Then we came up with weird squiggly shapes that represent these mouth-sounds, all so that if I type "german shepherd" we both image the same, precise sort of animal. It's pretty amazing, honestly. It's no wonder that we get confused sometimes.

But, back to the point: It's okay. You'll get smarter. You'll get better in time. :) No one is ever bad at anything forever, unless they don't try to improve. Some people improve faster or more easily than others, and that's okay. the rest of us jsut need to keep trying and working at our flaws :)

As for OCD... I understand that. OCD is really hard to deal with sometimes. I have problems with OCD and my food--the 'right number' of cookies, the 'right size' of a bite... OCD's difficult. but the first step is acknowledging that you have a problem and not letting it control you. It doesn't hurt me, if I MUST have an even number of cherry tomatos in my salad, but it does hurt me when my brain says that 5 cookies is the right number of cookies. Posting or favoriting things doesn't hurt you--but ask yourself "does it add to the conversation" or "do I really want to post this?" .... I end up deleting about one or two forum posts a day before I send them because I feel like I'm not adding anything to the conversation. And that's okay.

We're all learning to be better people, day by day :) So it's okay. You don't have to be sorry. There's nothing to forgive. Just learn and do better :)

Thanks, I understand what I did wrong. I jumped into the forum thinking that net neutrality is bad, however the act of “REPEALING” it is really the problem. I assumed what I was saying was correct, I promise to be mindful about that. Also, you are pretty awesome on this site, not to mention that set of Disney and Cartoon Network characters. Anyways, love your advice and I will avoid assumptions in the future. :)


CollegeBasketball123 said:
Thanks, I understand what I did wrong. I jumped into the forum thinking that net neutrality is bad, however the act of “REPEALING” it is really the problem. I assumed what I was saying was correct, I promise to be mindful about that. Also, you are pretty awesome on this site, not to mention that set of Disney and Cartoon Network characters. Anyways, love your advice and I will avoid assumptions in the future. :)

Awesome! You're doing better than 99% of people :) You're learning from your mistakes! :D so awesome!

and, thank you *blush* Good luck!


When you have states telling the FCC to piss off, it really does make you question if we really need 'em at this point. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/02/fccs-attempt-to-kill-net-neutrality-challenged-by-new-washington-state-law/


Just when you thought the the Net Neutrality repeal is the only threat to the Internet.

https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2018/02/28/act-now-the-latest-effort-to-censor-you-fosta-is-here/

Just found it on 8-Chan. Please spread the word.


''After months of tension and a variety of smaller milestones, the FCC order voiding 2015’s net neutrality rules and instating its own, much weaker ones will finally take effect on June 11, the agency’s chairman Ajit Pai said today.''

Sooo, we're still f*ed i guess.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/10/net-neutrality-will-officially-die-on-june-11/


Haljkljavahlibrz said:
''After months of tension and a variety of smaller milestones, the FCC order voiding 2015’s net neutrality rules and instating its own, much weaker ones will finally take effect on June 11, the agency’s chairman Ajit Pai said today.''

Sooo, we're still f*ed i guess.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/10/net-neutrality-will-officially-die-on-june-11/

Meanwhile I been advocating for support in public funding In ad hoc based internet so it can be free. Literally and figuratively


Some hope (this happened the 16th, after the article cited above):

http://www.businessinsider.com/net-neutrality-senate-vote-cra-fcc-2018-5

Plus Ajit Pai is under investigation for being a corrupt piece of shit (gasp!) so maybe there is light at end of the tunnel.


I didnt spend time reading the entire thread here but i can clearly see a lack of information regarding the "Net neutrality" repel.

If you have half an hour watch this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dY-g823g04

If you don't here is a TL;DR

Internet isn't going to change and you really need to do better research.


furry-hawk said:
I didnt spend time reading the entire thread here but i can clearly see a lack of information regarding the "Net neutrality" repel.

If you have half an hour watch this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dY-g823g04

If you don't here is a TL;DR

Internet isn't going to change and you really need to do better research.

Let's see...

Video is by "ShortFatOtaku" -- 33K subs about 115ish videos...

Let's see what sort of content we're looking at:

First 'big' video was one of a long series about Gamergate.. I see conspiracy posts about BLM kidnapping people, discussion of the pros and cons of political violence, "The Free speech "problem" ... several videos about how "the antifa" is manipulating people, jokes about cucks... capitalism is good, socialism is bad... "we can't blame everything on the neonazis".. and he believes that feminism is a problem.

Y'know.

Maybe this guy's video has a great point in it.

But all I'm seeing is another guy who probably would tell me that my family is bad, and that I don't deserve equal pay, or equal rights.

Maybe I'm wrong, but his first impression sucks.

Internet isn't going to change and you really need to do better research.

One youtube video that supports your thoughts on the matter does not mean that my research is invalid.

Also, you shouldn't comment on a thread if you're not goign to read most of it. Especially if the majority of the thread is MONTHS old.


I could understand a small video on youtube may not seem like much of a reliable source.

So let's look what wikipedia has to say about "Net neutrality" law.
(Note: i'm using quotation marks)

On 26 February 2015, the FCC ruled in favor of net neutrality by reclassifying broadband access as a telecommunications service and thus applying Title II (common carrier) of the Communications Act of 1934 to internet service providers.[13] On 14 December 2017, the FCC voted to repeal these net neutrality regulations, particularly by reclassifying broadband providers so that they are not considered common carries under Title II of the Communications Act of 1936.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_law

It is still a bit vague but let's look at what the FCC has to say about it (ofc if you cant trust your own government dont bother):

https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/60001029878.pdf

The "Net neutrality" law is only a shiny name used by the politicans so the common folks would simply ignore it but in reality it is a basic law which made ISP regulated by the government (illegal where i'm from). Reppeling it means ISP will have the same law they had back in 2015. Was 2015 like all of you have imagined the future ? no not at all.

Seriously i'm from the europe and watching the US cry about "the end of the world!" when in fact a 2 year old law is beeing removed is pathetic.

Note : this is my last post, i wont reply any further. You can discard all of my arguments, i really dont care my life isnt going to change but if you want to live the rest of your life misinformed and anxious be my guest.

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furry-hawk said:
Seriously i'm from the europe and watching the US cry about "the end of the world!" when in fact a 2 year old law is beeing removed is pathetic.

It's not much to add on top of this, but I haven't noticed a single difference in my internet service before, during, and after NN.

Of course, I live in North Dakota which is basically in the middle of bumfuck nowhere up near Canada, I'd be surprised if any random on the street could point it out on the map. Not to mention my ISP isn't any of the well-known ones so that might actually be a big part of it.

Speaking of throttling, this just reminded me, my internet speed is being bumped from 75 down to 100 this summer.

I guess if e6 were to get throttled, I wouldn't notice much anything. :P /joke


furry-hawk said:
Seriously i'm from the europe and watching the US cry about "the end of the world!" when in fact a 2 year old law is beeing removed is pathetic.

Except the ISPs in your country agreed to a code of conduct mirroring net neutrality laws, and your government passed a law in 2017 that the ISPs need to be transparent about anything they do that wouldn't agree with net neutrality.