Net Neutrality and E621.net - A dystopian tale

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Chaser said:

This thread is about Net Neutrality, not Trump. Keep on topic or it will be locked.

This is already a political thread which we don't really like to have because they tend to cause problems. Bringing Trump into it(Be it for or against him) is seriously pushing boundaries, and will only be a matter of time before someone gets a record and the thread locked.
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Good morning, Ladies Gents and other of the community. My name is Faux.Pa, and you're all dead.

No, that't not some half-empty threat from some loser on the internet. That's a full-fledged threat from the American government. Even if you don't live in the USA, you're dead too.

What I'm talking about is Net Neutrality, which was a law passed under the Obama administration back in 2015 to prohibit ISPs from treating their access to the internet that they sell to you as a service, and more as a right. But F.C.C. chairman, Ajit Pai, wants that dead. In turn, he effectively wants to break your right as a grown-ass adult to look at yiff. Sound the alarm bells.

Okay, hold on a second, Faux. How is he going to stop that?
Well, lemme tell you, and give you a little of a personal back story.

By removing the Net Neutrality laws that the IFF (Internet Frontier Foundation) and the Freenet fought so dearly for, republicans (not to point fingers, but this does appear to be a republican agenda "in the name of a free and competitive market") are seeking to allow major ISPs such as AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner Cable to control and/or limit the speed to which you can connect to certain websites. Effectively, these ISPs want to create a Internet Fastlane. They could start charging website owners like E621 thousands of dollars (on top of the already hefty hosting fees, domain registry fees and local/federal regulation fees) to include their website in the Internet Fastlane.

In a country that touts itself as being home of the free, land of the brave, we're looking to destroy everything that we've built just so the big corporations can make a quick buck yet again.

Now to my personal story.
From May to October of this year, I worked in a call center for AT&T Mobility as an Advanced Technical Support agent. Since our call center was one of the only that was open 24 hours a day, there's a good chance that one of you may have spoken to me to get your cell phone fixed.

Back to the story. During my time there, I felt like I was part of the call center family, but not part of the AT&T family. The only time AT&T would ever send someone from Corporate is if someone fucked up. You can guarantee that if you saw someone from corporate that someone would be walked out.

All they cared about were stats. How long were you in a call? Did you resolve the customer's issues? Did you use T-I-10? They never cared about morality unless it was one of their corporate-owned call centers that they just absolutely adore. But this next part is one of the reasons why I quit.

I heard the usual ding of the phone, and quickly closed my Google Solitaire tab in Internet Explorer. The customer was an older lady who had sounded very hoarse from either shouting or crying. She told me that she had been in the hospital with her late husband for the last 2 months, and that AT&T had charged her somewhere around $250 for cell phone service that she hadn't been using, as she had her daughter's phone to make phone calls at the hospital. Going over her bill, I was fully-ready to give her a $200 credit for the bill, but I had to get supervisor permission. Since it was over the amount that my supervisor could permit, he too had to get permission from his higher-up.

The request was declined. The way AT&T saw it, she had service going to the phone, and even if she didn't use it, she still had to pay for it. This shows you how heartless these major ISPs can be.

So what does this tell you?
ISPs don't understand the plot of "The Wizard of Oz" (no brain, no heart and no backbone)

ISPs don't understand (or are refusing to understand) how their service is one of the fundamental ways that people all over the world exercise their human right to free speech. The internet may have been created in the 1980s as some government science project, but it has grown to so much more than that.

ISPs don't have the heart to respect their customers. They give you this song-and-dance about how your privacy is their number one priority, but then give you the middle finger when they tell you that their systems are going to systematically block or slow you connection to certain websites.

And ISPs don't have the backbone to tell you that they essentially want to fuck over your right to a free internet, so they leak their intentions via side channels so you don't hear about it until some whiny uber-liberal complains about it on CNN.

These big corporations don't care about us, so why should we care about them? As an American who upholds his right to freedom of speech, and as a human of this big world, I refuse to allow some lobbyist in congress to take away my rights.

We all have a duty to protect those rights.

http://act.freepress.net/letter/internet_faces_nprm_nn/
Send a comment. Tell F.C.C. chairman Ajit Pai that we won't take no as answer.


TheGreatWolfgang said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09GczeuPLDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uR2rxfJtFY
He's not some innocent old man. He's fully aware of what he's doing, and hiding behind "creating a better internet infrastructure". What he's choosing to ignore is how ISPs are going to cash in on all of this much-needed regulation being removed.


I can't facepalm any harder at this post..


FoxFourOhFour said:
I can't facepalm any harder at this post..

And why is that?


Faux-Pa said:
And why is that?

Politics.


FoxFourOhFour said:
Politics.

You just don't like freedom :D


it's rather ironic that they reason this is for the good of a competitive market when in fact it would lead to the oposite, enabling the possibility of a monopoly and making it harder for new services to be created, and last time I checked streaming services like hulu or Netflix are also corporations and they would be hurt by this so. Seems more like a polital motivation to hinder and censor progressive and liberal websites rather then economic background.


Darou said:
it's rather ironic that they reason this is for the good of a competitive market when in fact it would lead to the oposite, enabling the possibility of a monopoly and making it harder for new services to be created, and last time I checked streaming services like hulu or Netflix are also corporations and they would be hurt by this so. Seems more like a polital motivation to hinder and censor progressive and liberal websites rather then economic background.

Which is why I said it's a republican agenda. They know that the left uses social media heavily to spread influence. Talk about seizing the means of social production... oh wait.


FoxFourOhFour said:
Politics.

I guess politics need to be discussed when politics essentially force themselves into discussion, e.g. it will effect browsing of this site most likely as well. Website being US based and all.

As I'm still not US citizen, I once again can't do much anything and once again the effect over here is most likely minimal. All I can say that at this point it feels like they are just trying to tire people out by constantly trying to pass these stupid things after the last one has been dealt with.


A peep told me that if you wanted to know what would it look like if this thing passes through, take a look at Portugal. I was confused at first, but then I read this

I'm sure it won't be exactly like Portugal, but it's an interesting outcome.


And us fear-mongering and spreading panic is sure as hell gonna solve all our problems, right? Oh wait. There's nothing we can do anyway, our government is a bunch of money-grubbing losers, what's voicing our concern going to do, magically stop the FCC and other groups from screwing us all over?

Might as well give up while the getting's good, no point trying to stop it now. Sites like this, YouTube, Reddit, etc are all screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewkfFu8Q7I

What can citizens actually do? Write their Senators and hope they actually fight against this? Ha ha ha ha ha *deep breath* ha ha ha ha.


fox_whisper85 said:
And us fear-mongering and spreading panic is sure as hell gonna solve all our problems, right? Oh wait. There's nothing we can do anyway, our government is a bunch of money-grubbing losers, what's voicing our concern going to do, magically stop the FCC and other groups from screwing us all over?

Might as well give up while the getting's good, no point trying to stop it now. Sites like this, YouTube, Reddit, etc are all screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewkfFu8Q7I

What can citizens actually do? Write their Senators and hope they actually fight against this? Ha ha ha ha ha *deep breath* ha ha ha ha.

Except it's been attempted and stopped before. It's attitudes like that that has gotten a certain person where he is today.


Waba said:
Except it's been attempted and stopped before. It's attitudes like that that has gotten a certain person where he is today.

Oh, then what do you suggest? Do tell, I'm just dying to know your solution. Governments have never cared for the people, regardless of who the POTUS is, and that's a fact. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T can all burn for all I care.

Do you honestly believe writing and calling our Senators, reps, etc, with our concerns is going to somehow stop this from being repealed? Even if it is stopped, how do you know these losers won't try again?


fox_whisper85 said:
Governments have never cared for the people

You found the problem, then it's time to apply the solution. Remove goverment and bring democracy!


DelurC said:
You found the problem, then it's time to apply the solution. Remove goverment and bring democracy!

That's easy for you to say.


fox_whisper85 said:
That's easy for you to say.

Why? Seems easy for US to bring Democracy to other countries.
It's nigh time for Americans to bring Democracy to US.


Waba said:
Except it's been attempted and stopped before. It's attitudes like that that has gotten a certain person where he is today.

Largely the vote got split on party lines- dems voted to keep net neutrality, reps voted against it. When it got blocked before there was a dem majority. Now there's a rep majority. If they vote with their party again then yes, net neutrality will likely be repealed. People can try to call in and give their opinion, but that's not a vote and has no real power, especially in areas where people pick their senators/representatives based mostly on party and there are few/no other candidates of that party to choose from.

The non-mainstream internet is also still seen as a pretty niche interest. Sure, everyone has Facebook and Twitter, but these are big enough to not likely be affected too badly. Fandom sites, gaming? That's weird nerd shit people not into weird nerd shit don't care about. Most people also don't know or care about less mainstream or niche news sites. And many conservatives would (at least publicly) love to be able to claim they're stopping internet porn.

In order to get this to be stopped, and stopped every time it comes up (because it will keep getting brought up until it either passes or we go extinct), you'd need to convince politicians that it's not a party issue and you'd need to convince people who absolutely do not care about this issue that it IS worth their time.


regsmutt said:
Largely the vote got split on party lines- dems voted to keep net neutrality, reps voted against it. When it got blocked before there was a dem majority. Now there's a rep majority. If they vote with their party again then yes, net neutrality will likely be repealed. People can try to call in and give their opinion, but that's not a vote and has no real power, especially in areas where people pick their senators/representatives based mostly on party and there are few/no other candidates of that party to choose from.

The non-mainstream internet is also still seen as a pretty niche interest. Sure, everyone has Facebook and Twitter, but these are big enough to not likely be affected too badly. Fandom sites, gaming? That's weird nerd shit people not into weird nerd shit don't care about. Most people also don't know or care about less mainstream or niche news sites. And many conservatives would (at least publicly) love to be able to claim they're stopping internet porn.

In order to get this to be stopped, and stopped every time it comes up (because it will keep getting brought up until it either passes or we go extinct), you'd need to convince politicians that it's not a party issue and you'd need to convince people who absolutely do not care about this issue that it IS worth their time.

So you're saying it's not all doom and gloom to make our voices heard in letters, phone calls, etc?


fox_whisper85 said:
So you're saying it's not all doom and gloom to make our voices heard in letters, phone calls, etc?

It might work? Maybe? Most likely not, but possibly? You still run into the issue of party voters and single-issue voters. Sure, you can tell an elected politician "I won't like it if you make this decision!" but that has no bite unless there's a valid threat of them losing the next election because of this issue. It's STILL effectively meaningless if they then lose to another candidate of the same party who would make the same decision. In areas that consistently vote one way or another because their constituents are party voters or single-issue voters, there's no incentive for them to change their decision.


fox_whisper85 said:
Do you honestly believe writing and calling our Senators, reps, etc, with our concerns is going to somehow stop this from being repealed? Even if it is stopped, how do you know these losers won't try again?

Yes, actually.

And honestly, yes.

The last year's been a really diffficult one, and there has been a LOT of things brought into congress that are pretty horrifying. People are contacting their senators and stating their opinions in ways that we haven't in the decades gone past.

I've heard and read numerous accounts of how shocked some people are at how many calls they're getting. People are becoming more involved than they ever have. It's absolutely certain that some government representatives are gonna fuck off and do what they want (I live in alabama, I know ALL ABOUT people fucking off and doing what they want)... but if you get 2 phone calls a week, and suddenly that inflates to 130 phone calls a week all saying "DON'T SUPPORT THIS"... then you have to consider that for every person that is calling, there are thousands remaining silent.. thousands that you will upset by going against. Thousands that will be involved in reelecting you next time.

and man, this last election we had a few weeks ago? a LOT of districts flipped. a LOT of people are getting out and voting.

They have a lot of motivation to listen to us, especially when we tell them that it's a bad thing.

Don't discount the power of your voice.

and yes, they'll try again, and again and again, but we just need to keep saying NO. Because they're trying to wear us down. That doesn't mean we should just roll over and accept it.


SnowWolf said:
Yes, actually.

And honestly, yes.

The last year's been a really diffficult one, and there has been a LOT of things brought into congress that are pretty horrifying. People are contacting their senators and stating their opinions in ways that we haven't in the decades gone past.

I've heard and read numerous accounts of how shocked some people are at how many calls they're getting. People are becoming more involved than they ever have. It's absolutely certain that some government representatives are gonna fuck off and do what they want (I live in alabama, I know ALL ABOUT people fucking off and doing what they want)... but if you get 2 phone calls a week, and suddenly that inflates to 130 phone calls a week all saying "DON'T SUPPORT THIS"... then you have to consider that for every person that is calling, there are thousands remaining silent.. thousands that you will upset by going against. Thousands that will be involved in reelecting you next time.

and man, this last election we had a few weeks ago? a LOT of districts flipped. a LOT of people are getting out and voting.

They have a lot of motivation to listen to us, especially when we tell them that it's a bad thing.

Don't discount the power of your voice.

and yes, they'll try again, and again and again, but we just need to keep saying NO. Because they're trying to wear us down. That doesn't mean we should just roll over and accept it.

I don't want to get my hopes up, because somehow, something always goes wrong. Sorry, just in a bit of a sour mood on something that happened 20 min ago, I'd rather not talk about it publicly -_-


fox_whisper85 said:
Oh, then what do you suggest? Do tell, I'm just dying to know your solution. Governments have never cared for the people, regardless of who the POTUS is, and that's a fact. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T can all burn for all I care.

Do you honestly believe writing and calling our Senators, reps, etc, with our concerns is going to somehow stop this from being repealed? Even if it is stopped, how do you know these losers won't try again?

The same solution. If it worked last time, then it will work again. How do you think government workers got to their position? People voted for them. How do you think they can stay where they are at? The same voters have to vote for them. In order for them to stay in their position, they have to listen to their constituents. Your negativity is clouding your basic sense of logic.


Waba said:
The same solution. If it worked last time, then it will work again. How do you think government workers got to their position? People voted for them. How do you think they can stay where they are at? The same voters have to vote for them. In order for them to stay in their position, they have to listen to their constituents. Your negativity is clouding your basic sense of logic.

In theory that's how it works. In practice they don't have to listen to all (or even most) of their constituents, they only need to listen to the percentage that vote for them. Even then, they know that they can take liberties with some issues and push through things that are unpopular as long as they don't lose their party voters and single-issue voters. Maybe it's still technically a gamble, but depending on the demographics of their voter base, it can be a pretty safe bet that their voters will care less about net neutrality and more about taxes, abortion, and keeping the other party out of office.


fox_whisper85 said:
I don't want to get my hopes up, because somehow, something always goes wrong. Sorry, just in a bit of a sour mood on something that happened 20 min ago, I'd rather not talk about it publicly -_-

I hope whatever went wrong goes better. Sorry, though. *hugs, if you want 'em.*

But, for what it's worth, it has come up before and been struck down. a lot of things are being struck down lately. Just like the fights about "health care" and "tax plans"... It's a struggle, but we're doing good.


Waba said:
The same solution. If it worked last time, then it will work again. How do you think government workers got to their position? People voted for them. How do you think they can stay where they are at? The same voters have to vote for them. In order for them to stay in their position, they have to listen to their constituents. Your negativity is clouding your basic sense of logic.

Well, I have anxiety issues and I'm not proud of it, my apologies. I just seriously fear what may or may not happen with what the government does, nothing more.

SnowWolf said:
I hope whatever went wrong goes better. Sorry, though. *hugs, if you want 'em.*

But, for what it's worth, it has come up before and been struck down. a lot of things are being struck down lately. Just like the fights about "health care" and "tax plans"... It's a struggle, but we're doing good.

I just want things to work out..that's all. Thank you.


fox_whisper85 said:
Well, I have anxiety issues and I'm not proud of it, my apologies. I just seriously fear what may or may not happen with what the government does, nothing more.

I just want things to work out..that's all. Thank you.

You and me both, friend. You and me both. My blood pressures gone up literally 20 points over the last year. I'm... I came back here, I think, out of the need and want to exert some degree of order onto the universe. It seems silly, coming to the porn place because I want to tag things and argue about socks... but it makes me feel a little better, to know that I'm helping create a bit of order.

I can't change the USA. I can't change the world. but I can, at least, change part of the world around me. Just a little bit. It helps relax my anxiety.

We can only do as much as we can do. It doesn't help anyone if we give more than we have. Self care is SO important.


Everyone on here should stockpile the yiff now, so when the time comes, you'll be ready


Darou said:
it's rather ironic that they reason this is for the good of a competitive market when in fact it would lead to the oposite, enabling the possibility of a monopoly and making it harder for new services to be created, and last time I checked streaming services like hulu or Netflix are also corporations and they would be hurt by this so. Seems more like a polital motivation to hinder and censor progressive and liberal websites rather then economic backgrou

Nah it's just about the money. Ajit Pai is taking this opportunity to change the rules cause when he leaves the FCC he'll go back to working for Comcast or whoever and take in the hard $$$$ he will be making. Everyone else loses. Crony capitalism at work.

Though it will make it a lot easier for an ISP to shut out opinions they don't agree with if they wanted to. Which would affect liberal thought more than conservative thought. So unfortunately if youre a poor liberal sap like myself then it sucks.


Crazyc011 said:
Nah it's just about the money. Ajit Pai is taking this opportunity to change the rules cause when he leaves the FCC he'll go back to working for Comcast or whoever and take in the hard $$$$ he will be making. Everyone else loses. Crony capitalism at work.

Though it will make it a lot easier for an ISP to shut out opinions they don't agree with if they wanted to. Which would affect liberal thought more than conservative thought. So unfortunately if youre a poor liberal sap like myself then it sucks.

not really as others pointed out this is not first time this has been tried, new actor in the leadership/figurehead role but the actual power pushing the repeal is the same one as before, republican party leadership that are desperate in keeping the members of the other party and non-affiliated moderates suppressed and geting a cheap win. the is not about money because it would hit the economy hard as well. it benefits no one economically in the midterm/longterm. Any profit gained in the short term would be lost quickly again.


Darou said:
not really as others pointed out this is not first time this has been tried, new actor in the leadership/figurehead role but the actual power pushing the repeal is the same one as before, republican party leadership that are desperate in keeping the members of the other party and non-affiliated moderates suppressed and geting a cheap win. the is not about money because it would hit the economy hard as well. it benefits no one economically in the midterm/longterm. Any profit gained in the short term would be lost quickly again.

but in a world of the broke, the one with one dollar is king