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Spiked_Aliases and Implications :)

In category: Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Forgive me if I'm doing this wrong, but I didn't want to spam a few dozen threads all at once :) And some of these should be discussed a bit.

To start off, some quick and easy implications aliases:

spike_collarspiked_collar
spiked_chokerspiked_collar
spiked_braceletsspiked_bracelet
spiked_cuffsspiked_bracelet
spiked_wristbandspiked bracelet
skyscrapersskyscraper
armletsarmlet

All Most of these were heavily used (10-60 posts) until I tidied them up. No big fuss, just a relatively common mistagging.

Also the skyscraper just snuck in. Didn't you know skyscrapers are sneaky? They are!

Now to the more complicated ones...

Pick one: spiked_armlet or spiked_armband.

Spiked_armlet has 164 posts, spiked_armband has 26.
These numbers are posted to indicate which language is more commonly used on the site, not as a recommendation of merging them: Armband has 2770 posts, armlet has 1515 posts.
Armlets has 56, and should be aliased off to Armlet.

Both spiked_armlet and spiked_armband, of course, have some other related tags that will need cleaning up too. (like "black_spiked_armband" or similar)... I like "spiked_armband" though. You could make an argument that an 'armlet' is for more delicate jewelry sorts of things, and this that spiked_armbands is more logical for the thick, black spiked leather straps that we see most commonly... but then, that would suggest that then our spiked_bracelets should be spiked_wristbands. However, people have already indicated that they prefer spiked_bracelet over spiked_wristband, by proxy of heavy use.

Pick one: spikey_hair or spiked_hair

Spikey has 28 posts, Spiked has 52. That said, I prefer spiked as it lines up with other tags about spiked things.

Pick one: tail_spikes or spiked_tail

They describe what is effectively the same thing: the spikes on a tail or a tail with spikes. Thus: having both would be redundant.

Tail_spikes matches with the naming trend of spikes-on-the-body (head_spikes, face_spikes, chest_spike).. however, while Spiked_tail DOES matches with all of the above clothing-related posts, it's more likely to be used on a character with other forms of spikes.. thus, it's more intuitive to have the 'body part spikes' all named as '(part)_spikes'. (Though, see below regarding plurality.)

Whichever is chosen, tail_spike (singular) should be aliased to it as well :)

Plurality of body-spikes?

We have head_spikes and face_spikes and shoulder_spikes... yet have a chest_spike. Should it be head_spike or head_spikes? Of course chest_spike is almost entirely used to describe lucario and gardevoir (each of which have a single spike.) ... with the exception of one neat spikey dragonish guy and one picture with spikes-as-nipples. (Oh e621. I missed you.)

I dunno. face_spikes seems more intuitive, but... 2017 bone_frill brown_background cera ceratopsian claws clothing dinosaur don_bluth english_text female feral frill green_eyes head_frill hi_res horn looking_at_viewer nude orange_scales raised_leg scales scalie shikaro signature simple_background smile solo text the_land_before_time toe_claws tongue torn_clothing triceratops white_horn

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Date: March 11, 2017 technically only has one 'face spike' and we seem to prefer singular in most cases...

Eh, whatever. The answer is probably to leave it as is, but...

Spikes? On my hands?? It's more likely than you think

Good gosh, there's a lot of tags for spikes-on-hands... Spiked_knuckles, spiked_gloves, spiked_glove, spiked_gauntlets, spiked_bracers, spiked fists and I think I might be missing a few. Obviously, it can mostly go down to spiked_gloves but then you have brass-knuckles-but-with-spikes... and then there's the fact that some of these are tagged to pictures of Knuckles or similar sonic fan characters. Not that any of these are super commonly used. I'm getting tired and didn't feel like making a decision yet.

But seriously: what's up with Knuckle's hands? 2017 abstract_background anthro big_eyes big_head black_nose clothing digital_media_(artwork) echidna frown fur gloves knuckles_the_echidna male mammal mobian_(species) monotreme mostly_nude oremu_08 portrait purple_eyes red_fur signature simple_background solo sonic_(series) three-quarter_portrait toony

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Wrapping up...

Spiked_collar and spiked_bracelet both imply spikes ... there are many other spiked_* things that should imply spikes. (obviously, I can put together a list, if people would like)

Spikeless seems to be used on 5 lucario pictures that lack a spike. However... this seems like a rather broad tag that shouldn't exist, IMHO... as it'd apply to most pictures. Maybe something like spikeless_lucario, but there are only 5 posts with spikeless anyway, and 2 of them I'm not even sure deserve the 'spikeless' tag.

Okay, I'm done now. <3


Ok... not to say you did it wrong, but it may have been a smart idea to make one singular alias/implication first, with a basic reason, and then go all out with additional aliases/implications, reasons, and et cetera. Reason being, any staff member (and user) can see the entire list of such with two different searches, Aliases and Implications. It’s much faster than dredging through the forum in any context.

But nonetheless, -1 on choker, cuffs, and possibly wristband. They are capable of being different:
A choker leaves very little or no room for air between it and the neck and can be wider, a collar does and is usually thinner;
cuffs can be wider than bracelets, as can wristbands.

You really shouldn’t have removed them and then did tag searches for them, how can we now tell the difference after you removed the tags? You also meant alias, not implication, right?

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(edited a little for typos and clarity.)

Siral_Exan said:
Ok... not to say you did it wrong, but it may have been a smart idea to make one singular alias/implication first, with a basic reason, and then go all out with additional aliases/implications, reasons, and et cetera. Reason being, any staff member (and user) can see the entire list of such with two different searches, Aliases and Implications. It’s much faster than dredging through the forum in any context.

Fair point! When I was most active here, the rule was "put it all in one post and don't spam the forums"... but that was a long time ago. :)

But nonetheless, -1 on choker, cuffs, and possibly wristband. They are capable of being different:
A choker leaves very little or no room for air between it and the neck and can be wider, a collar does and is usually thinner;

I certainly agree completely that collar and choker are different. However, I was referring specifically to spiked collars and spiked chokers, both which tend to be drawn basically identically. If I'm looking in my tag history correctly, there was one post labeled Spiked_choker: ... Which is basically the same thing as the 2546 spiked_collar images.

So, while someone COULD draw a 'spiked choker' that is different than a spiked collar, if someone has, no one's has tagged it, so far. Plus it'll probably just get mistagged.

Of course, that's fair argument for perhaps going through said 2500 spiked_collar images to separate the two... but I suspect people interested in seeing one would be interested in viewing the other.

cuffs can be wider than bracelets, as can wristbands.

Certainly, but few people are so picky as to only want images of spiked wristwear of greater than 2 inches but smaller than 4. :)

That also said, spiked_cuffs consisted of about 25 images. (compared to spiked_bracelet's 1052)... most of the images, as I recall, were of Bowser, with Bowser's wristcuffs drawn basically like the majority of images in spiked_bracelet.

You really shouldn’t have removed them and then did tag searches for them, how can we now tell the difference after you removed the tags?

Mmm.. I did make a typo. I did mean to say that most of them had been used on 10-60 images, but not all of them. the alias suggestions were the most populated and common erroneously used tags.

That said, I haven't been around in a while, but this isn't my first rodeo. I know how to look at two tags and realize that they're referencing the same thing. :) (and that isn't meant to sound confrontational... just stating that most of the retagging I DID do was regarding errors: spiked_tailbands versus spiked_tail_rings, spiked_bracelets versus spiked_bracelet, spike_collar versus spiked_collar etc.)

Please note, of course, that I didn't touch armlet/armband, spikey/spiked hair, tail spikes/spiked tails, the inconsistency of the plurality of body_spikes, or the mess that is spiked handware. I'm not infallible, but I can tell (most of the time) when someone's using the wrong tag, versus a legitimate point of debate. (as can be found in the rest of my post).

Plus, there's a fully functional 'tag history' that I can use to revert any mistakes, and I do believe the mods have a tool to easily revert any changes I made should they disagree. Of course, that doesn't mean anyone should change tags willynilly (it, after all, causes more work for people!) but it does mean that I'm not too worried about adjusting some incorrect tag usage <3 it's not lost and gone forever, it's right there, for anyone to see. and I'm happy to change anything back if people disagree.

You also meant alias, not implication, right?

Yes, thank you. I fixed that. :D

Always did get them jumbled up, for some reason.


Well, how about aliasing and/or implying your suggested and any others to more general tags. For instance, there are still a couple wrist objects that aren’t bracelets that haven’t been brought up (spiked bangles do exist), instead of only spiked_bracelet we could use spiked_wristwear. Certain are better aliased to specific object locations, others (like collar to neckwear) are better implicated since it’s common and arguably diverse.

This system should be easier to follow since you can follow the implication tree instead of looking through many aliases. It also helps remove the argument of cosmetics: should spiked jewelry deserve it’s own tag, since we have a jewelry tag that is not comprised of cloths and leathers. An alias and implication chain, spiked_bracelet implies jewelry and spiked_wristwear, whereas spiked_wristband is aliased to spiked_wristwear, should be easier to follow. There’s more path and less fat, poetically speaking.

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Siral_Exan said:
Well, how about aliasing or implying your suggested and any others to more general tags. For instance, there are still a couple wrist objects that aren’t bracelets that haven’t been brought up (spiked bangles do exist), instead of only spiked_bracelet we could use spiked_wristwear.

Presuming we're talking about bracelets and cuffs specifically.. this is pretty fair, but no one's tagged 'spiked_bangles' either. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they haven't been tagged. I searched for *Spike* on the tag page and have thus looked at all of the tags in use. :) No 'Spiked_bangles' .... though I admit personally, I would swap 'bracelet' for 'wristband' fr clarity. But, bracelet is rather clearly established as the favored language.

Certain are better aliased to specific object locations, others (like collar to neckwear) are better implicated since it’s common and arguably diverse

True but 99.99% of spiked neckwear is collars. Plus, you could always tag differently if you suspect that there's enough difference.

That said, the only one I saw--and i did glance at everything I retagged--that could be not-a-collar, was adeloo anthro black_fur blindfold bra breasts clothed clothing collar equine female fur hair hi_res horse jacket leather leather_jacket mammal pink_hair solo spiked_clothing spiked_necklace spikes standing underwear white_hair

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Date: January 08, 2017 ... which was actually named spiked-necklace originally... but it was the ONLY one named spiked_necklace. I almost didn't change it, but then I recalled that a horse collar sits at just about that same spot. And for that matter, I'm not actually sure that the collar is a collar so much as part of her shirt/bra thing? There are the odd lines that go down over her breasts from cups to collar. So I dunno. I'm not opposed to other forms of spiked neckwear, I"m just not sure that we should give up the 'classic flavor' of 'spiked-collar'.

This system should be easier to follow since you can follow the implication tree instead of looking through many aliases. It also helps remove the argument of cosmetics: should spiked jewelry deserve it’s own tag, since we have a jewelry tag that is not comprised of cloths and leathers.

Well... there are already a few implications involved for some of the parts. spiked_collar implies collar and spikes, while spiked_bracelet implies spikes and bracelet, which implies jewelry. And no matter how you look at it, jewelry is something worn to adorn one's self--and a spiked collar fits that bill.

That said, spiked_jewelry as an implication from all of the bits of spiked body wear is an interesting idea, as there's not really a way that one can search for that 'aesthetic'... (sorry, even though you were trying to discourage the idea. :) ) ... it would also make it easier for people interested in spikes on the body (face spikes, tail spikes etc) to remove the spiked collars/bracelets/armlets/belts/etc from the search.

An alias and implication chain, spiked_bracelet implies jewelry and spiked_wristwear, whereas spiked_armband is aliased to spiked_wristwear, should be easier to follow. There’s more path and less fat, poetically speaking.

My problem with that is that an armband goes around the upperarm, whereas wristwear goes around the, well, wrist.

...I swear, spiked doesn't look like a word anymore.


Ok, third submiting time’s the charm...

▼ Relevant tags that imply jewelry
▼ relevant tags that don’t imply jewelry

And more if I didn’t have search limits...

But, the point should come across nonetheless: this site distinguished between jewelry and non jewelry. Bracelets and wristbands. Necklaces and collars. You have blurred that line. Not only do you suggest that these are the same, you tagged them as such, even hesitating when it didn’t belong.

Are you still to suggest that they are the same? The site seems to disagree with you, there are wikis to suggest that they are different. That wristbands are not the same as bracelets and that collars are not the same as necklaces.

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Siral_Exan said: But, the point should come across nonetheless: this site distinguished between jewelry and non jewelry.

Okay... I believe I recall agreeing on this note.

Bracelets and wristbands. Necklaces and collars. You have blurred that line. Not only do you suggest that these are the same, you tagged them as such, even hesitating when it didn’t belong.

Are you still to suggest that they are the same? The site seems to disagree with you, there are wikis to suggest that they are different. That wristbands are not the same as bracelets and that collars are not the same as necklaces.

But, uh... No.

I feel like my point is being misunderstood.

Okay.

Bracelet:
Wristband: 2013 :3 <3 bear biped blush brown_fur clothing digital_media_(artwork) english_text eyelashes facial_markings female fur gloves_(marking) head_tuft headband mammal markings mt multicolored_fur open_mouth pidgeon_toed semi-anthro shirt shorts simple_background solo standing tank_top text thigh_gap toeless_(marking) two_tone_fur white_background wristband

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bracelet and wristband are different things.
Are they jewelry? Bracelets are. They have an implication that says so. Are wristbands jewelry? I don't know and I am not asserting that they are or are not. There are some images where they appear to be chosen as aesthetic enhancing accessories (or, more simply, worn to make the outfit look better) and others where they appear to be sportswear.

I am not arguing that wristband should alias to bracelet, or that bracelet should alias to wristband. I have never been saying that {{wristband}] should be jewelry. I have never been talking about the validity of either of these tags. These are both good tags.

My original post was talking about spiked_bracelet and spiked_wristband.
Spiked_bracelet is tagged in 1052 images. The wiki says "Pretty self explanatory, a bracelet with spikes on it. Commonly worn by Bowser."

This implies that these are spiked_bracelets: abs absurd_res anthro bracelet canine clothed clothing hi_res jewelry male mammal necklace pubes shirt_up smile solo spiked_bracelet spikes teeth vexstacy

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Going into my tagging history... again.. to find the pictures that were previously tagged spiked_wristbands...

post #793954 post #195654 post #771971 post #791155 post #785550 post #776754 post #776752 post #772027 post #795021 post #1046985 post #796624 post #1134709 post #855270 post #1225919 post #855271 post #1271101 post #881789 post #1305401 post #949388 post #1312426

Of the above linked pictures, all of them are basically the same as that is linked under spiked_bracelet. There are a few that were--somewhat--different.
5_fingers 5_toes abs anthro armor bear belt biceps big_muscles black_nose bracelet bracers chest_tuft claws clothed clothing facial_piercing fur glowing glowing_eyes grey_nipples hammer harness jewelry loincloth male mammal melee_weapon muscular muscular_male navel nipple_piercing nipples nose_piercing nose_ring pauldron pecs piercing polar_bear red_eyes septum_piercing skull solo spiked_bracelet spikes standing teeth toe_claws toes tools topless tuft vein warhammer_(weapon) weapon wfa white_fur wristband

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Date: November 21, 2015 abs anthro belt biceps black_hair bracelet camo canine claws clothed clothing digital_media_(artwork) facial_piercing fur furgonomics furry-specific_piercing glowing glowing_eyes green_eyes grey_fur hair half-closed_eyes hi_res jewelry kittydee knee_pads knife male mammal melee_weapon muscular muzzle_piercing nose_piercing piercing scar septum_piercing simple_background solo spiked_bracelet spikes standing toe_claws utility_belt weapon wristband

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Date: December 29, 2015 2_heads absurd_res ankh anthro arcturus bastion bracelet clothing collar conjoined corset digital_media_(artwork) dress egyptian eye_of_horus female gloves goth hair hi_res hybrid jewelry lingerie mammal multi_head red_panda simple_background skanderp sketch skirt skunk smile solo spiked_bracelet spikes white_background wristband

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1 appears to be more like a piece of spiked_armor. 2 and 4 are drawn in a different style. 3 is slightly thinner than usual.

So. With that statement:

I feel confident in asserting that what had previously been tagged 'spiked_wristband' is functionally identical to spiked_bracelet.

I am NOT saying that EVERYTHING in spiked_bracelet is a spiked_bracelet. Indeed not: while I was browsing spiked_bracelet, there were several instances where a spiked_armlet was called a spiked_bracelet. I saw several studded_bracelets mistagged as spiked_bracelets. Is there enough "spiked bracelets" within spiked_bracelet to justify moving 'spiked wristbands' out into spiked wristband and to, in the future, distinguish between spiked_wristband and spiked_bracelet? I don't know. I didn't look.

Spiked_bracelet already means one thing on this site, and the contents of spiked_bracelet were functionally identical to spiked_bracelet.

I feel like one COULD make an argument that spiked bracelets are a thing and different from spiked wristbands, but I think that it would be a very tricky distinction.. mostly based on rather small differences... for example: thickness, looseness, or other nearby 'bling'... I feel like the two tags would be used incorrectly a large portion of the time and it would be a headache to maintain the cleanliness of both tags.

Thus: I am suggesting that spiked_bracelet and spiked_wristband as they existed when I changed the tags, were not different. Bracelet and wristband, however, are the same.

*sigh*

Necklaces and collars. You have blurred that line. Not only do you suggest that these are the same, you tagged them as such, even hesitating when it didn’t belong.

Are you still to suggest that they are the same? The site seems to disagree with you, there are wikis to suggest that they are different. That wristbands are not the same as bracelets and that collars are not the same as necklaces.

Okay. necklaces and collars. SEe everything I just wrote up there? Repeat that here. necklace and collar are different.

spiked_collar and spiked necklace, on the other hand.. well hell. Fine.

I have now retagged every single picture that was changed from spiked_necklace to spiked_collar back to spiked necklace. All of them.

There is now one picture--one whole picture--on the website that is labeled spiked_necklace. Here it is: adeloo anthro black_fur blindfold bra breasts clothed clothing collar equine female fur hair hi_res horse jacket leather leather_jacket mammal pink_hair solo spiked_clothing spiked_necklace spikes standing underwear white_hair

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I'm still not sure that's a necklace. Or a collar. but there. THAT line is no longer blurred.

Shall I retag all of the other pictures I linked in this post? Ain't no fur off of my back.


You initially suggested aliasing them. Even if you mean implicating, it’s still wrong. We shouldn’t imply choker to collar; we shouldn’t imply wristband to bracelet (cuff is disambiguated, so withholding a decision). We shouldn’t pick between armlet or armband, they are two different things. They are not identical in comparison and if an artist draws them identically go with the closest one since we can’t use TWYK.

If you do not mean to alias or imply, cross them out. While I can’t blame you for it, it would be easier if you did.

The one spiked necklace you are confused on is a type of necklace, intentionally drawing attention to the neck instead of showing off jewelry (except this one has spikes).

Now, why don’t you reorganize your suggestions so there is no confusion or mistakes. I won’t play “holier than thou”, but it’s harder to read if you appear to be contradicting yourself.

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Siral_Exan said:
You initially suggested aliasing them. Even if you mean implicating, it’s still wrong. We shouldn’t imply choker to collar; we shouldn’t imply wristband to bracelet (cuff is disambiguated, so withholding a decision). We shouldn’t pick between armlet or armband, they are two different things. They are not identical in comparison and if an artist draws them identically go with the closest one since we can’t use TWYK.

I'm getting pretty frustrated here.

Can you please give me examples of how a spiked_collar is different from a spiked_choker?

(to help, there was only one post tagged with Spiked_choker. It's this: post #699331 )

Can you show me examples of how a spiked_wristband and a spiked_bracelet are different?

As for armband and armlet... I literally covered this in my first post: Spiked_armlet and spiked_armband appear to be identical. armlet and armband are both heavily used. Armlet seems to refer to jewelry. I only mentioned the post numbers for armlet and armband for the sake of comparison to the rest of the site.

(If I had read a post asking about spiked_armbands or spiked_armlets, the first thing I would have done was checked armbands and armlets to see if we have a preference for one word or the other on the website. Hence, I was trying to save everyone a step. I have now edited to clarify my post on several aspects.

If you do not mean to alias or imply, cross them out. While I can’t blame you for it, it would be easier if you did.

Honestly, I'd be willing to do this, but I'm not convinced yet. There are a few I'm a little more 'uncertain' about... but that's only because they were not widely tagged. -- like spiked_choker, which had a single post.

You've TOLD me about hte differences between some things, but not provided any posts to back up your argument. Of course in real life there are differences between a spiked_bracelet and a spiked_wristband, but it's hard to see in illustrations

And honestly, you've spent most of the time telling me about how necklaces are not collars, which wasn't even mentioned until my third post in this thread. c_c And I've never said that spiked_necklace should be aliased away.

The one spiked necklace you are confused on is a type of necklace, intentionally drawing attention to the neck instead of showing off jewelry (except this one has spikes).

Like I just said, I never recommended aliasing spiked_necklace away and that image, again, is tagged spiked_necklace.

Now, why don’t you reorganize your suggestions so there is no confusion or mistakes. I won’t play “holier than thou”, but it’s harder to read if you appear to be contradicting yourself.

Let me look back up at my suggestions...

most of them are corrections of typos.. like spike_collar and spiked_collar.

I will strike through spiked_cuffs → spiked_bracelet... (though, to clarify: I retagged about 30 pictures from spiked_cuffs to spiked_bracelet. ALL of them were, what we are currently tagging "spiked_bracelet".... most of them were of bowser. ONE image had the character's hands bound in some manner. It's been tagged spiked_cuffs again.

I'm honestly not sure it's worth continuing this argument, honestly. I was feeling nostalgic the other day and thought it'd be fun to do some tagging and tag-clean up like I used to... but I think my ruby colored glasses have been rather firmly snatched away and thrown aside. I forgot how frustrating it could be and why I left in the first place. I guess I ought to thank you for that as I really don't have the time to 'waste' trying to be helpful on a website I rarely visit... no matter how much I enjoyed my prior time here.

I will probably contact an admin and ask which of the changes I've made they would like me to revert. Would you have a recommendation of who I should speak with who handles tag changes and whatnot most frequently? (My information's about 5 years out of date... and, at the time, would have been "talk to SnowWolf..." which obviously doesn't apply here... :P)


I already pointed it out when I showed you relevant tags. The site has implications from certain spiked tags, ones you removed, to their base form ( IE spiked_wristbandwristband). If you don’t trust me, trust the site.

I can’t show you an example, because you took it upon yourself to remove the tags that you suggested to alias, and I don’t have the spare time to find the most accurate of images when I am going off of one tag and not multiple.

An armlet is a type of jewelry, an armband is a type of square or triangular cloth (or other, depends on the uniform) band, often with a symbol.

You shouldn’t have saved steps for anyone, you caused the opposite effect: it now takes more steps to look for something to show you.

You suggested chokers to collars, and in some cultures (and thus art styles) they’re a type of jewelry that are different than collars. It doesn’t need an alias if it isn’t always a collar and can instead be a kind of necklace.

While I can appreciate nostalgia and trying to do the right thing, you should have looked at what you were doing before you did it. There are things that’re different from between your time and now, and such is true for me as well. I can’t suggest any admin, since no matter who I suggest they’ll all talk about it.

And I greatly apologise for frustrating you. I assure, that was not my intent, and if we were able to converse IRL a lot of the chaff we’ve been through would not have happened, which’d probably make you less frustrated. But so is the woes of communicating big ideas online, it never comes out right the first time you say it.

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Siral_Exan said:
I already pointed it out when I showed you relevant tags. The site has implications from certain spiked tags, ones you removed, to their base form ( IE spiked_wristbandwristband). If you don’t trust me, trust the site.

The site isn't always right. Just because something HAS been a way doesn't mean it should CONTINUE to be that way. There is no wiki for spiked_wristband.

I can’t show you an example, because you took it upon yourself to remove the tags that you suggested to alias, and I don’t have the spare time to find the most accurate of images when I am going off of one tag and not multiple.

I literally gave you a link to each individual post that I removed spiked_wristbands from. I cannot make it any easier for you to do this shy of retagging all of them. Would you like them in thumbnail form? Here:

▼ All of the posts that were previously labeled 'spiked_wristband'

5_fingers 5_toes abs anthro armor bear belt biceps big_muscles black_nose bracelet bracers chest_tuft claws clothed clothing facial_piercing fur glowing glowing_eyes grey_nipples hammer harness jewelry loincloth male mammal melee_weapon muscular muscular_male navel nipple_piercing nipples nose_piercing nose_ring pauldron pecs piercing polar_bear red_eyes septum_piercing skull solo spiked_bracelet spikes standing teeth toe_claws toes tools topless tuft vein warhammer_(weapon) weapon wfa white_fur wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 16
User: Kario-xi
Date: November 21, 2015 2015 5_fingers anthro band_shirt big_breasts black_nose bra bracelet breasts camera canine cat chain cleavage clothed clothing collar devil_horns duo_focus ear_piercing fangs feline female fur group guitar hair inner_ear_fluff iskra jewelry looking_at_viewer mammal midriff multicolored_fur multicolored_tail musical_instrument open_mouth piercing pink_nose pink_tongue purple_fur purple_hair purple_tail red_eyes red_hair seelena_zorn_(iskra) selene_leni shirt_logo shorts skimpy smile spiked_bracelet spiked_collar spikes sports_bra stripes teeth tongue tongue_out two_tone_fur underwear white_fur white_tail wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 180
User: Sharp_Coyote
Date: December 23, 2015 2015 abstract_background anthro athletic bracelet breasts cleavage clothed clothing coypowers crop_top ear_piercing eyewear feline female fur half-length_portrait hi_res jewelry lion looking_at_viewer mammal midriff navel piercing pink_nose portrait shirt solo spiked_bracelet spikes standing sunglasses tank_top traditional_media_(artwork) whiskers wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 10
User: Sharp_Coyote
Date: December 14, 2015 5_fingers 5_toes anthro beard black_skin body_hair bracelet brown_background dark_skin exavier facial_hair facial_scar fangs featureless_crotch fur hair happy_trail hi_res jewelry male mammal monkey nipple_piercing nipples nude orange_sclera piercing primate pubes red_eyes red_fur scar simple_background sitting soles solo spiked_bracelet spikes toes wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 1
User: Autumn~PrimateSky
Date: November 21, 2015 abs anthro belt biceps black_hair bracelet camo canine claws clothed clothing digital_media_(artwork) facial_piercing fur furgonomics furry-specific_piercing glowing glowing_eyes green_eyes grey_fur hair half-closed_eyes hi_res jewelry kittydee knee_pads knife male mammal melee_weapon muscular muzzle_piercing nose_piercing piercing scar septum_piercing simple_background solo spiked_bracelet spikes standing toe_claws utility_belt weapon wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 2
User: Cat-in-Flight
Date: December 29, 2015 2016 5_fingers anthro bloomth bracelet breasts cat claws clothing collar dress eyes_closed feline female front_view fur hair happy headphones hi_res jewelry knock-kneed legwear long_hair mammal open_mouth pink_nose portable_music_player red_hair seelena_zorn_(iskra) small_breasts smile solo spiked_bracelet spiked_collar spikes standing stockings striped_legwear stripes teeth thigh_highs white_fur wide_hips wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 23
User: FinallyLostIt
Date: November 12, 2016 anthro belt belt_buckle bracelet canine clothing date doberman dog eyelashes feet fingernails hand_on_hip happy harpseal hi_res jeans jewelry leather_vest logo long_ears mammal muscular navel nyline_rebod pants pockets shirt short_sleeve_hoodie simple_background small_eyebrows smile solo spiked_bracelet spikes spiky_hair standing t-shirt toenails toes white_background wide_hips wristband year

Rating: Safe
Score: 0
User: HARPSEAL
Date: February 11, 2017 2016 anthro belly big_belly big_breasts bracelet breasts cleavage cleavage_cutout clothed clothing collar dragon eyelashes female frown fupa greyscale hands_on_hips huge_breasts jewelry kemono looking_at_viewer membranous_wings midriff monochrome navel non-mammal_breasts overweight overweight_female scalie shorts skimpy solo spiked_bracelet spiked_collar spikes standing sunibee thick_thighs trish_(sunibee) wide_hips wings wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 58
User: ROTHY
Date: March 23, 2016 2_heads absurd_res ankh anthro arcturus bastion bracelet clothing collar conjoined corset digital_media_(artwork) dress egyptian eye_of_horus female gloves goth hair hi_res hybrid jewelry lingerie mammal multi_head red_panda simple_background skanderp sketch skirt skunk smile solo spiked_bracelet spikes white_background wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 11
User: Arcturus
Date: May 25, 2017 ... anthro bracelet cellphone collar daughter dialogue dragon duo english_text eyelashes female frown greyscale jewelry kemono monochrome mother mother_and_daughter parent phone speech_bubble spiked_bracelet spiked_collar spikes sunibee text trish_(sunibee) wristband

Rating: Safe
Score: 22
User: ROTHY
Date: March 23, 2016 2016 anthro big_tail bracelet canine clothed clothing crop_top crossdressing digital_media_(artwork) ear_piercing fennec fox front_view fur girly hair hi_res holding_tail jewelry legwear long_tail male mammal midriff miiyori_(linhthasack) navel neck_tuft piercing portrait purple_eyes shirt shorts simple_background skimpy solo spiked_bracelet spikes stockings teasing thigh_highs thong three-quarter_portrait tongue tongue_out tuft underwear white_fur white_hair wide_hips wristband zyira

Rating: Safe
Score: 14
User: Tuvalu
Date: July 21, 2016

Yes this is all of them. As I said, there were only 20.

An armlet is a type of jewelry, an armband is a type of square or triangular cloth (or other, depends on the uniform) band, often with a symbol. You shouldn’t have saved steps for anyone, you caused the opposite effect: it now takes more steps to look for something to show you.

Like I said: "I only mentioned the post numbers for armlet and armband for the sake of comparison to the rest of the site." At no point did I advocate changing those.

I also did not CHANGE anything in regards to armlets or armbands, spiked or otherwise. they are EXACTLY like they were before.

I really feel like you're just trying to pick a fight with me, man. That or you're not really reading what I'm typing. I don't know how mentioning the number of posts using a tag on the website can make it harder for you to look at posts. and I didn't touch armlet or armband c_c.

You suggested chokers to collars, and in some cultures (and thus art styles) they’re a type of jewelry that are different than collars. It doesn’t need an alias if it isn’t always a collar and can instead be a kind of necklace.

No, I suggested spiked_choker to spiked_collar. Spiked_choker only had one post. Which I've now linked twice for you. I agree (and have from the start) that a choker and a collar are different things. But as far as spiked_collars go, I haven't seen any posts--here on the website--that really make me say "wow! That's a spiked choker!"

I haven't change any posts here. Nothing stops you from looking through Spiked_collar to try and find a spiked_choker. If there is a whole subgroup of spiked_chokers I'm not seeing because I'm looking through quickly, then I happily and eagerly admit I'm wrong. But outside of some pictures which are mislabeled (for example, a picture where the choker has no spikes at all) I"m not seeing a wide amount of variety between how the spiked_collars are being worn. I am happy to go through the whole spiked_collar tag and separate the _collars from the _chokers if given reason to, but right now, I'm not seeing much difference aside of the fact that SOME pictures artists are very visually descriptive of how much 'wiggle room' there is between collar and neck. But there are many more that are vague and difficult to tell and I think that differentiating between the two will only cause confusion and frustration for people interested in searching for that tag.

While I can appreciate nostalgia and trying to do the right thing, you should have looked at what you were doing before you did it. There are things that’re different from between your time and now, and such is true for me as well.

I did. and I made a relatively minor change and made some suggestions. You're acting like I casually decided to rename "female" to "girl" or "rabbit" to "lagomorphia". I changed literally 200 posts. and most of those were typo fixes. like Spike_collar to spiked_collar. The thing you're complaining most about is like a grand total of 25 posts.

I can’t suggest any admin, since no matter who I suggest they’ll all talk about it.

Okay, let me phrase this differently. I notice that each admin seems to have a particular specialization these days. I know that some only deal with reports, while others focus on the coding. I have noticed specifically that one mod's profile says SPECIFICALLY to not contact them about non-developmental activities. I would not like to annoy anyone. I would like to contact the person who's most frequently involved with tags, aliases and implications. I am well aware that i could contact anyone and be pointed in the right direction, but I'd rather start at the right person. You seem like you are interested in the comings and goings of various tags and enjoy participating in tag-oriented discussion. Thus you seemed like a logical person to ask about who the proper admin would be. I"ll jsut pick someone randomly. thank you.

And I greatly apologise for frustrating you. I assure, that was not my intent, and if we were able to converse IRL a lot of the chaff we’ve been through would not have happened, which’d probably make you less frustrated. But so is the woes of communicating big ideas online, it never comes out right the first time you say it.

This is very true. and for what it's worth, I"m sorry also. Real life communication does make things a lot easier. most of the time anyway.

...maybe I shoudl start over and try again c_c


armletsarmlet Approved
skyscrapersskyscraper Approved
spike_collarspiked_collar Approved
spiked_braceletsspiked_bracelet Approved

spiked_chokerspiked_collar
spiked_wristbandspiked_bracelet

Not sure about the remaining ones, might be worth it to keep those separate for cases where the spikes are actually clearly on a piece of jewelry (eg metal band) instead of being attached to leather or cloth.

SnowWolf
Contributor
7 days ago
black_fur blue_eyes blue_feathers blue_hair equine fan_character feathered_wings feathers female feral flying fur hair hi_res horn mammal multicolored_hair my_little_pony shilokh smile snowdrift snowflake solo star watermark white_feathers winged_unicorn wings

Rating: Safe
Score: 18
User: SnowWolf
Date: July 28, 2012

Oh! Thank you for approving those, NotMeNotYou. :)

I'll probably go through all of the spiked* tags to make sure that all of the appropriate items are tagged. I noticed there were a lot of, like, untagged spiked_thighbands and stuff.

For now, I'm not gonna be renaming anything else, but I will keep an eye out for any bracelets with spikes, and similar that might justify having both spiked_bracelet and spiked_wristband.

For now, I will use the spiked_armband tag, as that seems most accurate for the item in question. :)

In the mean time:

1. tail_spikes or spiked_tail?

2. Spikey_hair or Spiked_hair?

For me: I like tail_spikes and spiked_hair, but I have no horse in that race. :)

Ledian
Privileged
6 days ago
2017 ambiguous_gender beverage clothed clothing coffee colored_sketch commander_ledi cup drinking flora_fauna fully_clothed guild_wars hair micro mutisija plant purple_body purple_hair simple_background sketch slurping solo sylvari video_games white_background

Rating: Safe
Score: 21
User: Commander_Eggplant
Date: September 20, 2017

SnowWolf said:
2. Spikey_hair or Spiked_hair?

spikey_hair is misspelling of spiky_hair

SnowWolf
Contributor
6 days ago
black_fur blue_eyes blue_feathers blue_hair equine fan_character feathered_wings feathers female feral flying fur hair hi_res horn mammal multicolored_hair my_little_pony shilokh smile snowdrift snowflake solo star watermark white_feathers winged_unicorn wings

Rating: Safe
Score: 18
User: SnowWolf
Date: July 28, 2012

Commander_Eggplant said:
spikey_hair is misspelling of spiky_hair

Whoa, thank you. By the time I got to 'spikey,' all meaning had been stripped from the letters.

Regardless, then, the question remains:

2. Spiky_hair (294) or spiked_hair (52)?

and 1. spiky_tail (10) or tail_spikes (2) or spiked_tail (329)?

I mean, if it comes down to my opinion:

Alias: Spiky_hair → Spiked_hair
Alias: Spikey_hair → Spiked_hair
Alias: spiked_tail → tail_spikes


I prefer spiky_hair to spiked_hair because spiked_hair seems to imply something was done to the hair to make it spiky.

SnowWolf
Contributor
6 days ago
black_fur blue_eyes blue_feathers blue_hair equine fan_character feathered_wings feathers female feral flying fur hair hi_res horn mammal multicolored_hair my_little_pony shilokh smile snowdrift snowflake solo star watermark white_feathers winged_unicorn wings

Rating: Safe
Score: 18
User: SnowWolf
Date: July 28, 2012

regsmutt said:
I prefer spiky_hair to spiked_hair because spiked_hair seems to imply something was done to the hair to make it spiky.

Like hair gel? :)

That's a fair point, though I"m not sure if it changes my initial opinion... but like I said, I don't have strong opinions here!


regsmutt said:
I prefer spiky_hair to spiked_hair because spiked_hair seems to imply something was done to the hair to make it spiky.

Hmmm...never thought of that, but I suppose that's probably why I also prefer spiky_hair.

It's my same issue with shaved_pussy...unless there is stubble to indicate that some shaving took place it's presuming that at one point there was hair and then it was shaved, which is a lot to presume when you're dealing with fantasy creatures, and it simply doesn't work with things like reptiles who most likely never had or never will have hair there. I usually use hairless_pussy instead.

Btw...what tag do you guys use around here for that? neither shaved_pussy nor hairless_pussy are very popular tags here.


Dyrone said:
Hmmm...never thought of that, but I suppose that's probably why I also prefer spiky_hair.

It's my same issue with shaved_pussy...unless there is stubble to indicate that some shaving took place it's presuming that at one point there was hair and then it was shaved, which is a lot to presume when you're dealing with fantasy creatures, and it simply doesn't work with things like reptiles who most likely never had or never will have hair there. I usually use hairless_pussy instead.

Btw...what tag do you guys use around here for that? neither shaved_pussy nor hairless_pussy are very popular tags here.

Hell, even if hair was removed that doesn't imply shaving. There's also waxing, threading, laser treatment, electrolysis, and epilators.

The one thing about the tag though is that this is a furry focused site, so it'll have limited use. There's also a lot of furry characters drawn in a way to have the aesthetic of no hair but there's still technically fur. That technicality alone is probably enough to discourage people from using either tag. I think something like 'smooth_pussy' would work better since it'd cover both humans/humanoids as well as furry characters.


regsmutt said:
There's also a lot of furry characters drawn in a way to have the aesthetic of no hair but there's still technically fur.

Yes, most tags that deal with pubic hair were not designed to deal with such a situation, that's true.

regsmutt said:
I think something like 'smooth_pussy' would work better since it'd cover both humans/humanoids as well as furry characters.

That would probably work about 99% of the time until you come across like a lizard character with scales around their pussy...but it's probably the best suggestion I've heard for a tag that can apply to furries and humanoids alike.