I just want to say, some of the more audacious users share a lot of similar viewpoints regarding my negative opinions of this website. (Just kind of a "+1" more or less)

I would be more specific but I'm afraid I'm going to get banned "for nothing" again.

This is the kind of fear you've struck into some adults masturbating to images due to "creepy comments" "trolling" and "insulting users"

I just don't feel that a weird fetish porn site should be controlled in such a manner.


TheTundraTerror said:
Cool, more strawmans. How many times do I have to say that my issue is with the logic and reasoning before it gets through to you?

Hey, remember when the EU commissioned and suppressed a half million dollar, 300-page study that found piracy didn't hurt sales?

Study shows that people only hear what they want to hear. I already knew this. What a waste of money.


FibS said:
(a whole lot of stuff that would get anybody else banned in the blink of an eye)

This is what I'm talking about


PhrozenFox said:
I just want to say, some of the more audacious users share a lot of similar viewpoints regarding my negative opinions of this website. (Just kind of a "+1" more or less)

I would be more specific but I'm afraid I'm going to get banned "for nothing" again.

This is the kind of fear you've struck into some adults masturbating to images due to "creepy comments" "trolling" and "insulting users"

I just don't feel that a weird fetish porn site should be controlled in such a manner.

Neutral records aren't the same as being banned. You've had a total of two separate warnings over the course of your stay here.


PhrozenFox said:
I just want to say, some of the more audacious users share a lot of similar viewpoints regarding my negative opinions of this website. (Just kind of a "+1" more or less)

I would be more specific but I'm afraid I'm going to get banned "for nothing" again.

This is the kind of fear you've struck into some adults masturbating to images due to "creepy comments" "trolling" and "insulting users"

I just don't feel that a weird fetish porn site should be controlled in such a manner.

I'd rather the comments be moderated than having them full of 'mmmph I wanna (so-and-so) in that character's (insert hole here)'. You can look at art/porn without having to announce to the world that you want to have sex with the picture.


NotMeNotYou said:
Neutral records aren't the same as being banned. You've had a total of two separate warnings over the course of your stay here.

I had 3 temp ban records removed. (edited to exclude useless info)


MissChu said:
I'd rather the comments be moderated than having them full of 'mmmph I wanna (so-and-so) in that character's (insert hole here)'. You can look at art/porn without having to announce to the world that you want to have sex with the picture.

I like it when comments are moderated; not enforced.


PhrozenFox said:
I had 3 temp ban records removed that Mellis dropped on me.

Well, Mellis left about 7 years ago. We have absolutely nothing to do with the old administration anymore.


e621 is the ship of Theseus of furry porn archives


NotMeNotYou said:
Well, Mellis left about 7 years ago. We have absolutely nothing to do with the old administration anymore.

My favorite part is knowing that I just summarized the history here 3 days ago, literally, with links to the relevant forum posts that go into more detail.

For reals. All the admins left with Arcturus when the site's ownership was transferred to Varka. Bringing up the rage of mellis as if it had any relevance to the current administration would be like blaming Obama for actions taken during the Nixon presidency.


ikdind said:
My favorite part is knowing that I just summarized the history here 3 days ago, literally, with links to the relevant forum posts that go into more detail.

For reals. All the admins left with Arcturus when the site's ownership was transferred to Varka. Bringing up the rage of mellis as if it had any relevance to the current administration would be like blaming Obama for actions taken during the Nixon presidency.

there's a reagan joke i could make there, but you're right, a lot of people who had an argument like that lost it years ago when the reason for it left.


ikdind said:
My favorite part is knowing that I just summarized the history here 3 days ago, literally, with links to the relevant forum posts that go into more detail.

For reals. All the admins left with Arcturus when the site's ownership was transferred to Varka. Bringing up the rage of mellis as if it had any relevance to the current administration would be like blaming Obama for actions taken during the Nixon presidency.

"Neutral records aren't the same "
"I had 3 temp ban records removed that Mellis dropped on me."

and it was known as the "rage of mellis"

I don't read every post. I didn't post once in this thread before you summarized it. I read some of the first 2 pages and some of the last page.

I only mentioned Mellis because somebody asked why I'm complaining about neutrals, when I'm not.

Forgive me for the major sin of not knowing the full history of a site I occasionally visit because if I try to get into the community I get shit on, warned, banned, etc. I guarantee if I still did any sort of major communications here I would get banned again. It's not because I'm a bad person but because my filter isn't tight enough to withstand a nuclear fallout like you seem to need in order to talk here.

The only fucking thing I even knew about Mellis is that he would ban for "shark week" and he's not here anymore.

(yes that accusation that I'm raging is actually making me kind of mad)

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PhrozenFox said:
Forgive me for the major sin of not knowing the full history of a site I occasionally visit because if I try to get into the community I get shit on, warned, banned, etc. I guarantee if I still did any sort of major communications here I would get banned again. It's not because I'm a bad person but because my filter isn't tight enough to withstand a nuclear fallout like you seem to need in order to talk here.

You don't need to know the history but you should at least try to stay up-to-date. For example, I don't know who the flying fuck is Mellis and I couldn't care less about that person, but I do know who's on the current administration, and he ain't one of them. Also, if I can talk here, you can too. Just don't be an asshole and you'll be fine here. It's not that hard.


Waba said:
You don't need to know the history but you should at least try to stay up-to-date. For example, I don't know who the flying fuck is Mellis and I couldn't care less about that person, but I do know who's on the current administration, and he ain't one of them. Also, if I can talk here, you can too. Just don't be an asshole and you'll be fine here. It's not that hard.

Trust me, it is apparently very difficult. Being an asshole includes criticism for the most part. That isn't just here though. Criticizing anything anywhere is a great way to make unintelligent people hate you for presuming to know better.

None of this is about mellis. Somebody asked a question and I gave an answer. I could have not mentioned mellis for a much different result but I included all known information. Forget mellis even existed because it has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Mellis mellis mellis mellis. Are we done with mellis now? mellis.


PhrozenFox said:
None of this is about mellis. Somebody asked a question and I gave an answer. I could have not mentioned mellis for a much different result but I included all known information. Forget mellis even existed because it has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Mellis mellis mellis mellis. Are we done with mellis now? mellis.

I mean, you edited the post to call it unimportant info, but name-dropping mellis does a lot to color the circumstances of those records in your favor. If those temp bans had been under the current site admins, I would probably think they were roundly deserved.

mellis is definitely important information. It's just a fairly long time to hold a grudge against a site, and for as powerful as that grudge must be, it wasn't my first thought that you may have missed the whole thing where everyone from the previous admins stepped down and a whole new group took over.

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NotMeNotYou said:
Greetings!

This time we have a rather large rule change to announce: Going forward any pay content1 will be permanently DNP without exception2.
The 2 year rule has been a relic since the site's original founding back in '07, and was mainly justified to provide an option to have content from art CDs available beyond their original sales windows. CDs age, get damaged or lost, and are only available in very small production runs so it was kind of understandable, if a bit dick move, to provide a mirror so that content could be kept available for everyone once those CDs are no longer being sold.
However, since then we have seen the advent of widespread broadband, cloud storage, cheap website hosting, Patreon and subscription based pages and a sharp decline in the sale of furry artwork on a physical medium.
If artists are selling something in recent times it's almost always done through a service that is for far longer available than manually burned CDs, and usually not limited to a specific amount of sales either. All of this means our rule is causing problems to artists trying to earn money off of their hard work.
As the largest furry archive basically every furry knows of us and most people know how to search for things. By us hosting paid content, even if it's just slightly older one, we directly cut into people's ability to earn money.

With all this in mind this change is most likely going to upset a lot of people, and it won't prevent piracy either, but we still feel it is the right thing to do.

To keep consistent with this change we have purged all old paid content we could find. If you know of any paid content still lingering then please report it so we can delete it as well. If we have accidentally deleted things that are freely available then please report those as well so we can restore them. If your uploading limit has been drastically affected by this, let us know and we will fix it as well.

If you have any questions feel free to ask them below.

Beyond that, I will be going through the DNP list and fixing entries up as required. Since the paid content is now universally DNP a bunch of conditional DNP statuses are no longer needed.

1 - "Pay content" is used to describe all pay-to-view and commercial works where either an admission fee, subscription fee, or a copy has to be purchased in order to view it. This goes for both physical and digital products / works.

2 - Obviously if any content has been released for free later it will stop being DNP from that moment forward.

In my personal opinion, I believe this to be a hasty decision, due to severe lack of reasoning behind it. Mostly because there isn't really any reason to do this.

Take Palcomix for example, they use a considerable amount of copyrighted characters and draw them into nudity and sex and sell that content on paid access only web sites. Technically they should be shut down for copyright violations. Even though they are violating the law and essentially theft, you will hold DNP. There is a massive amount of work that uses existing characters. Take those patreon types for another example. They pay for "art" (Porn) and get it ahead of time by say a few months? but those who don't pay up have to wait. Technically this is also paid content and covered under your hastily thought up DNP rules.

What I see here is a half assed attempt to please one or two people screaming about them not making money by being lazy and not having a real job. I'm ok with artists having tip jars or placing advertisements, but a lot of them are trying to make this a sole income job and it just doesn't work.

For example, 19 years ago I worked for a few production companies that were hired by Disney... you know, big shots in the animation industry. The work we did was heavy loads of page cells, animation rendering and it was time consuming. It took a group of 10, to push out 10 minutes of polished animation per week at the quality they wanted and they paid absolutely shit for it. Went bankrupt within 5 months.
It's a business that doesn't exist for a reason.

Lot of these artists are always coming up emergency rent money needed excuses for getting the dull and stupid to fork up some cash to get new fap material. I actually met a few people like this in real life, although they were unaware I am BDOTH and these lying sacks of crap are regular working people who just want an expensive luxury item or a welfare rat communist who bitches about social justice and feefees all day while snorting down twinkies by the truck load and that bit of drawing they do isn't even registered income so it's not legit on the books.

I gave up the artist life to do it for a living with a company and still failed. Not because my shit sucked, it's because there is no money in it. I woke up to the reality that I needed to get out of fantasy land and into a real job. You know what? Now I'm part of the 1%, owning a business with several properties and none of it even comes close to anything artistic. Unless you think my Tractor sexy... Sorry.

Bottom line, you aren't doing jack squat to help "artists". You are just feeding the delusion that they can be successful at drawing porn if it weren't for all the leaked pay content.

I got a lot more to say on this, but it is also my opinion that some feeling of butt hurt will cloud the understanding of my logic on this.

Now if you don't mind, I have a fat stack of checks to sign for payroll. Most of the people here are raking in enough cash in one week to equal what most porn artists make in a year and all they have to do is get muddy and change parts 3 days a week. Yes I do have people to do payroll, or at least one person and she is out sick because it's that time of the year for the scratchy coughs. But after this I'm going to spend more money, on cool shit. I've had my eye on an upgrade exhaust for my Skyline R34 and new rims for my BMW M2 while you all wonder if you can afford food next week.


Wow it's amazing how many people on this site can write so many words even though they clearly can't read.

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BDOTH said:
blah blah I want free porns blah blah I know more than you blah blah you're stupid, I'm smart blah blah I'm better than everyone here blah blah

How much time did you spend typing that out that tomfoolery?


BDOTH said:
Now if you don't mind, I have a fat stack of checks to sign for payroll. Most of the people here are raking in enough cash in one week to equal what most porn artists make in a year and all they have to do is get muddy and change parts 3 days a week. Yes I do have people to do payroll, or at least one person and she is out sick because it's that time of the year for the scratchy coughs. But after this I'm going to spend more money, on cool shit. I've had my eye on an upgrade exhaust for my Skyline R34 and new rims for my BMW M2 while you all wonder if you can afford food next week.

If you're as rich as you claim to be then this rule change shouldn't affect you at all since you can just pay for all the paywalled art you desire.

So what are you even raging about?

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Wow. I have been rendered speechless by this man who's so manly and clearly superior to me in every way. I am ashamed to exist when this sparkling example of virile maleness stands before me. My life is a lie and a shame. All this time, if I had only known the truth...


Waba said:
How much time did you spend typing that out that tomfoolery?

My favorite part is where he whines about "welfare rat communists", yet at the same time is mad about no longer getting paid art for free


Narcissism is bad, m'kay?

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Serious question: Is there really any value in keeping this thread unlocked? I think pretty much everything that can be said has been said, and each part has been repeated at least a couple of times.

And for the record no I don't consider the amusement value of self-entitled twits ranting sufficient reason to keep the thread open, though of course as a not-staffer my consideration doesn't really carry any particular weight. :P


So this means things like basically everyone Zone-Sama makes will be removed too, right? All of the flashes and most pornographic pictures they made are behind the Hentaikey paygate.

Sure they're probably pretty popular posts but hey, they're paid content. And that's the important part, right?


BDOTH said:
But after this I'm going to spend more money, on cool shit. I've had my eye on an upgrade exhaust for my Skyline R34 and new rims for my BMW M2 while you all wonder if you can afford food next week.

Ha-ha! Capitalism.

imagoober said:
Serious question: Is there really any value in keeping this thread unlocked? I think pretty much everything that can be said has been said, and each part has been repeated at least a couple of times.

Also, I agree. I basically only check in on this topic to look at the funny drama.


tom641 said:
So this means things like basically everyone Zone-Sama makes will be removed too, right? All of the flashes and most pornographic pictures they made are behind the Hentaikey paygate.

Sure they're probably pretty popular posts but hey, they're paid content. And that's the important part, right?

The important part is the artist's ability to dispense their art (or withhold their art) in the manner they see fit. That's seriously important socially, and also legally. E621 will have a better relationship with artists if we don't actively disrespect the rules they set.

The relevance of popularity here seems to be approximately 0. Well, the admins seem to have their heads screwed on straight, that's good.


savageorange said:
Well, the admins seem to have their heads screwed on straight, that's good.

Nah, they have their heads screwed on wrong, it’s just that we have ours screwed on wrong too, making it look right. We’re all mad on e6.


Really at the end of the day, artists could always have their art pulled from the site if they didn't like it being on here. Pulling it pre-emptively helps no one. No one is going to go straight to legal action before just contacting the site. And the main line of support it's getting is people excited to call other people entitled for saying something is bad about their favorite site.

I think the best thing to do if you don't like the change is to report as many tags and images, especially popular ones, by pointing out paid images that "fell through the cracks" of this change. Not false reporting, just be very aggressive with pointing them out. If they don't change then you'll know that it's time to look for a new site, and if it does then the mods have the full blame for ripping good stuff from the site.

Bonus points if it's either on another easily accessible site, or you download and re-upload it on other sites. Basically hand them the rope to hang themselves and let them go to work. Just don't be shocked if you're suddenly banned by the mods for "false reporting" if they realize they've fucked up. And they'll probably restore a bunch of the images under that same pretense.


tom641 said:
Really at the end of the day, artists could always have their art pulled from the site if they didn't like it being on here. Pulling it pre-emptively helps no one. No one is going to go straight to legal action before just contacting the site. And the main line of support it's getting is people excited to call other people entitled for saying something is bad about their favorite site.

I think the best thing to do if you don't like the change is to report as many tags and images, especially popular ones, by pointing out paid images that "fell through the cracks" of this change. Not false reporting, just be very aggressive with pointing them out. If they don't change then you'll know that it's time to look for a new site, and if it does then the mods have the full blame for ripping good stuff from the site.

Bonus points if it's either on another easily accessible site, or you download and re-upload it on other sites. Basically hand them the rope to hang themselves and let them go to work. Just don't be shocked if you're suddenly banned by the mods for "false reporting" if they realize they've fucked up. And they'll probably restore a bunch of the images under that same pretense.

We verify all tickets and flags manually. That will accomplish nothing except do exactly what we'd like people to do.


NotMeNotYou said:
We verify all tickets and flags manually. That will accomplish nothing except do exactly what we'd like people to do.

Then we don't have a problem. Keep tying that necktie e621.