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User: Onii-chan
Date: May 09, 2014

The easiest way to "save" this tag is to

1. Put all cute posts into a public set
2. Delete all cute tags
3. Invalidate the cute tag

The same goes for armpit but it's too late for that.


leomole said:
The easiest way to "save" this tag is to

1. Put all cute posts into a public set
2. Delete all cute tags
3. Invalidate the cute tag

The same goes for armpit but it's too late for that.

Our basic tagging/searching system already may cause some problems, incorporating sets wouldn't help, quite the opposite actually.
Also, is pretty likely for most people to continue using the tag instead of adding posts to the set, then those posts would be invalidated and lost, stagnating the referred set almost entirely, if not entirely.

For some reason the 'daww' tag is basically a smaller version of what the 'cute' tag is supposed to be; this sounds like a great opportunity to me and (as far as I can see) it would need this disambiguation to be availed.

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BlueDingo said:
Kinda hard to answer when the wiki doesn't really define what cute is.

Wiki says:
Images or animations drawn in a manner that deliberately renders the characters overly adorable.
Such images are usually not erotic in nature; think butterflies and rainbows and kittens.


TheHuskyK9 said:

And yet there are 139 pages of cute images that are explicit in nature.


Clitheroe said:
And yet there are 139 pages of cute images that are explicit in nature.

To be fair, the wiki does say usually not. ~10450 rated explicit vs. ~26600 not.


'Cute' is often associated with young characters, but the current posts that I see right now are not associated with that in anyway. Cute and adorable are vague, subjective terms at best as some people are aware of already. I'd much rather have the tag invalidated than have varying viewpoints of what is considered 'cute'; dirty anal sex in this regard is not cute in any stretch of the imagination.

leomole
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Date: May 09, 2014

Just for fun I dug up what some people might consider counterexamples. post #486032, post #659340, post #689079, post #806474, post #1015630, post #1130435.

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The concept of cuteness is somewhat vague, however it doesn't seem something we can't deal with; the problem here appears to be more the polysemy of the word 'cute' itself than anything else.
Within 'cute' exists more than one meaning:

I) 'adorable', which is what we wanted, what the tag was originally supposed to represent.

II) 'attractive' in so way, which works similarly to 'sexy' (in another words: useless).

III) 'heartwarming', which is romantic or just affectionate interaction between individuals.

I believe the problem is that we tried to select one among those meanings and use it, but the word itself hold them together in a practically inseparable way.
I have been saying this for a while now: if we found a word that encompasses only the significance we want it is possible to remediate that, creating a new tag that work as intended. Also this isn't a mere speculation, because that already happened before with the 'daww' tag.

About the 'cute' tag itself; there is no reason to keep it as a functional tag, however this doesn't mean we should invalidate it, not in this case. If a new tag for "adorable things" is created, people will continue tagging 'cute' sometimes; we will need to clean out the tag time to time, picking the posts that fit in what we want and ridding of the rest of them. We will need the disambiguation for all this to work.

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There was some support for alternate tags back when this became a problem (in 2015).

Such as too_cute or too_damn_cute. But that never went anywhere. Instead, the consensus was that we should just try to keep it clean.

And of course, it was all talk as usual. The users who favored that never bothered to clean it.

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Genjar said:
There was some support for alternate tags back when this became a problem (in 2015).

Such as too_cute or too_damn_cute. But that never went anywhere. Instead, the consensus was that we should just try to keep it clean.

And of course, it was all talk as usual. The users who favored that never bothered to clean it.

So isn't the first time this gets suggested...

Well, since the "we will just clean it" plan failed we can opt for this one now. Also, if it got approved, I compromise myself in cleaning the disambiguation page (preferentially not alone).


Ugh I've tagged too many things as cute.
Should I be more specific in the future?

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For the record your avatar (post #936429) is something I would classify as cute without hesitation and I think most users would agree. Even with its flawed implementation, I think this tag has value.

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malleablecrowbar said:
Ugh I've tagged too many things as cute.
Should I be more specific in the future?

Well, yes, but I would say it isn't necessarily your fault.

I suggest you (and any person interested) to start using 'daww' for "adorable things", since it is a unambiguous and way more functional version of the 'cute' tag.

leomole said:
For the record your avatar (post #936429) is something I would classify as cute without hesitation and I think most users would agree. Even with its flawed implementation, I think this tag has value.

Ageed.
I don't know how may times I mentioned it until this point, but the problem isn't the tag's concept, it is the simple fact of 'cute' being ambiguous, hence a better name would be necessary.

I recommended seeing one of my posts on this same theread if you are interested (this one ); in which I explain that better.


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Honestly, the 'cute' tag is hard to put on, because you need a generalized crowd to verify that tag. It's opinionated, and that's one of the big flaws of the tag.


TwentyFour said:
Honestly, the 'cute' tag is hard to put on, because you need a generalized crowd to verify that tag. It's opinionated, and that's one of the big flaws of the tag.

And yet any suggestion for what to search for instead have been pretty poor and not catching what people search for with said tag

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CamKitty said:
And yet any suggestion for what to search for instead have been pretty poor and not catching what people search for with said tag

What is it that people search for with said tag?
..I've tried asking before, and got at least five distinct answers. Ranging from chibi to subjective things like 'cubs', 'fluffy kittens' or 'cute guys'.

And stuff like this, which is also tagged as cute:
alcohol beer belly beverage big_belly blue_clothing blue_dress blue_eyes blue_hair blue_skin bow breasts clothed clothing cute dress drunk female ghost hair inflation morbidly_obese not_furry obese overweight overweight_female quasi quasi-ghost solo spirit sweer-tomato tentacles weight_gain window

Rating: Safe
Score: 0
User: Sonan
Date: December 22, 2017

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Date: April 15, 2018

I still think cute should be invalidated. Tag cleanup is too big, it will constantly require cleanup, and too many folks have different definitions of what they consider "cute" and tend to stray away from our definition, which would result in more cleanups


▼ My preferred plan action

1. Determine specialized cute_ tags that still capture the essence of cuteness but in organized chunks.

2. Populate those tags with 100-1000 posts to set examples, both visually and of leadership.

2a. (Optional) From my own experience, it would be prudent to review the identities of these specialized tags after populating them to see if (wiki) tweaks make sense. Also, having populated those tags, their taggers should be sensitive to any "patterns of cuteness" not identified during the planning phase (step 1). Those missed patterns are likely taggable and probably should be tagged as well, so they'd need populating too. The point of this step is (1) course corrections and (2) ensuring the essence of cuteness is fully described in specialized subtags, because...

3. Create a News announcement stating that cute will be reset in [7-14 days] (state the actual date + hour + timezone). That means aliasing cute to cute_(disambiguation) (requires updating the wiki for disambiguation) when or before the announcement is made. Upon the appointed hour, cute_(disambiguation) gets removed from all posts by whatever means.

This is the time for users to change over to the new system and way of thinking. We entreat them to salvage what they can or make suggestions before the wipe if they care about the tag. And, why wipe? Because cute is a rampantly mistagged mess, or so it would seem. The tag's fucked, and no one is up to the task of unfucking it. Best we can do is start over on better footing. Why keep tagging the idea at all? Because cuteness is much more important to humans than we're giving it credit here. (See the other section)

4. See what happens. Maybe cute_(disambiguation) will need another reset or simple invalidation at some point.

▼ Defining cuteness

I'd recommend anyone participating in this discussion read Wikipedia's cuteness page, supplemented with their neoteny page. The cuteness page is the rare Wikipedia page that is insightful but not particularly dense. Those two pages helped me better frame this issue, although my initial ideas were still correct. Also, those pages give plenty of examples and ideas for taggable elements of cuteness.

(For the sake of this discussion, I'm probably interpreting the available information more aggressively than has been conclusively proven.)

The short version is that cuteness is a group of attractive traits (physical, intellectual, behavioral, etc) that motivate humans' reproductive instincts, especially caregiving and protective instincts. Even simpler, cuteness endears humans to children (i.e., a reproductive instinct to care for children, ensuring humanity's continuity) OR--and this is the important part--cuteness endears us to things that look like (human) children. Seeing cuteness in someone or something means we are instinctively infantilizing them.

Evolutionary theories on sexual selection suggest that humans are and have been attracted to the more juvenile or "cute" of our species, which has progressively lengthened our childhood and delayed our (age of) maturity. Add to that our cuteness instincts being tied up in sex hormones and our attraction to fit, healthy, young, strong mates, and it's not so hard to see how humans may be sexually attracted to cute mates, either directly or indirectly by closely related evolutionary instincts. The boundary people put up between "cute" and "want to fuck" may be a social fabrication and not an instinctual limit. I'm trying to say that "cute -rating:e should be empty" is fantastical, prudish self-flagellation. It's so very wrong. Disclaimer: This is also a self-serving argument.


In my opinion, cute is too widespread of a term. As this was already mentioned, cute can mean many things.

Adjective tags like this, in general, can be subjective. Some people may find certain things cute, while others don't.

I like this website because of the accurate tagging, and this is one of the most prominent features of this website. Of course, I don't want to see images like the one below in my searches so that's why I say we should only remove a few of these subjective tags.

BlueDingo said:
The likely reason why it hasn't been dealt with yet is because there'd be no easy way to find cute things without it. Many have big eyes, many don't. Many have a big head, many don't. Many are toony, many aren't. These features are also somewhat common on creepy images as well.

<3 blue_eyes braces earth_pony equine female feral friendship_is_magic front_view fur hair headshot_portrait hi_res horse joyfulinsanity long_hair looking_at_viewer mammal my_little_pony open_mouth pink_fur pink_hair pinkie_pie_(mlp) pony portrait smile solo teeth

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User: Deatron
Date: December 22, 2013 ← Cute or creepy? → big_eyes black_background blue_eyes creepy earth_pony equine eye_reflection eyelashes female feral friendship_is_magic front_view fur grin hair headshot_portrait hi_res horse long_hair looking_at_viewer mammal murskme my_little_pony nightmare_fuel pink_fur pink_hair pinkamena_(mlp) pinkie_pie_(mlp) pony portrait reaction_image reflection scary shaded simple_background smile solo soul_devouring_eyes teeth where_is_your_god_now

Rating: Safe
Score: 46
User: slyroon
Date: April 26, 2016

Also, I thought I knew what was creepy was until I clicked the image on the right. XD (I have MLP blacklisted.)