Can we revive posts under a new artist tag? (DNP, new artist tagging Question)

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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8220580/
(Please don't mention any artist names when commenting.)

Well, let's just say that there were posts here originally tagged under Artist A and he/she had them purged on FA and e6 due to not wanting to be related to them anymore. Also, conditional DNP-ing themselves (under Artist A).

Now, Artist A has another account called Artist B, and has decided to post the deleted content under that new artist name. Both accounts do not openly relate to each other.

And back to the question, if we revived posts from Artist A and then re-tag it under Artist B, would it contradict the original DNP request from Artist A?

Also, for the questions on Google. Does Google index the past tags of posts after we change the tags? Does Google still index now deleted posts? (sorry, irrelevant)


I don't understand the question exactly (I don't like Google, ever), but I'll parrot NotMeNotYou (whilst ignoring context) and say we shouldn't remove deleted post tags. I believe this'd fall under that.


seems rather simple to me if a tad confusing. in this particular case the artist in question is giving permission to post their NSFW work but only if it's marked with a different artist name so as to keep it separate from them.

that sound about right?

not sure i like it and there is a limit to how much and how far this info could be suppressed but it could work...to a certain extent. kinda like how what happened with the names Edis Krad and Arkaid. but just like that case, eventually someone would still piece things together and link the new name with the old one.


I would rather avoid doing that.

e6 is very well indexed and is a perfect tool for finding associations like that. Google may still keep searchable snapshots of the pages with the old tag, which would now point to revived images bearing the new tag.

At least wait some time to see how it goes for the artist.


Deleted things stay deleted. If we post them here under the "new" artist tag someone eventually will figure out the connection to the old name and fuck it all up again. This is not a risk I am willing to take unless he requests it himself.


NotMeNotYou said:
Deleted things stay deleted. If we post them here under the "new" artist tag someone eventually will figure out the connection to the old name and fuck it all up again. This is not a risk I am willing to take unless he requests it himself.

On Artist B's profile wall, he/she did make a statement regarding the reposting of their works.

"if you repost the animations, please do not use my actual username, so that search engines will not pick up them, thank you. that's the only request i have when sharing my animations. please attribute it to <Artist B> "

What if someone were to repost them under the new artist tag? It wouldn't be breaking any rules, as it's technically not "knowingly" reposting deleted content as well as not breaking any DNP conditions (because it only applies to Artist A).


Given e621's no-duplicates mechanic, the only way to go about that would be if the image were modified or the old images nuked--and I'm only assuming that the latter works.
Old deleted images hanging around may strike up a red flag for some staff, as well, who then delete the new copy for being a "previously deleted work." Nuking the old images would also mean nobody could potentially locate the old username.

Either way, you should ask the artist if it's fine to do so, and provide proof to the administration here if he says yes. The message you mention only says to not use his old username, not that he will permit posts now.


TheGreatWolfgang said:
What if someone were to repost them under the new artist tag? It wouldn't be breaking any rules, as it's technically not "knowingly" reposting deleted content as well as breaking any DNP conditions.

the problem would still be the issue me and NMNY pointed out. eventually someone would figure out that the new artist name is actually none other than the original artist.

i still find pokehidd and pokefound having the same art style suspicious (mainly because that's really similar to edis and arkaid) but if they truly are 2 different people then it's just a strange coincidence in their case.

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We could revive the deleted posts, change the artist name manually and put the new FA account as the source. I hope we find a way to make this work, this is a great artist.

The artist isn't asking for the old name to be untraceable. She just doesn't want it to be obvious. I don't think employers go digging around in post tag histories.


treos said:
the problem would still be the issue me and NMNY pointed out. eventually someone would figure out that the new artist name is actually none other than the original artist.

i still find pokehidd and pokefound having the same art style suspicious (mainly because that's really similar to edis and arkaid) but if they truly are 2 different people then it's just a strange coincidence in their case.

When Pokefound first popped up, the style was actually fairly different. As people pointed out the inconsistencies, Pokefound intentionally moved his style to more closely match Hidden's. If this was a ploy to make people think they aren't the same person, it definitely worked.


TheGreatWolfgang said:
On Artist B's profile wall, he/she did make a statement regarding the reposting of their works.

"if you repost the animations, please do not use my actual username, so that search engines will not pick up them, thank you. that's the only request i have when sharing my animations. please attribute it to <Artist B> "

What if someone were to repost them under the new artist tag? It wouldn't be breaking any rules, as it's technically not "knowingly" reposting deleted content as well as not breaking any DNP conditions (because it only applies to Artist A).

Works stay the same even if they "change" the artist tag and we're still heavily indexed at all times. The DNP will not be lifted until they contact me and explicitly ask for it.

And just for the record (not directly aimed at you), any found "loophole" will be treated as abuse of site tools and will be met with the full breadth of the Code of Conduct.


NotMeNotYou said:
Works stay the same even if they "change" the artist tag and we're still heavily indexed at all times. The DNP will not be lifted until they contact me and explicitly ask for it.

And just for the record (not directly aimed at you), any found "loophole" will be treated as abuse of site tools and will be met with the full breadth of the Code of Conduct.

Thanks for clarifying my concerns.

I will try to contact the artist and see whether or not they want to update/change their current DNP status.

And just for the record (if anybody was wondering), I have no intentions of finding loopholes to avoid disciplinary actions from the administration. I completely respect the Code of Conduct and will continue to do so.

Just asking a question on what will happen if someone were to do just that, which I can see now what the consequences of their actions will be.

However, would you still give disciplinary actions to (new) users who decided to repost works from Artist B here? Are they still subjected to punishment even if they weren't aware (no way of knowing) that said content was previously deleted, and was DNP under Artist A?

They could be users who have never seen or heard of Artist A's works before and had stumbled across Artist B's gallery by coincidence. And with good intentions of sharing their recent discovery, get slapped in the face for it.


NotMeNotYou said:
Works stay the same even if they "change" the artist tag and we're still heavily indexed at all times. The DNP will not be lifted until they contact me and explicitly ask for it.

And just for the record (not directly aimed at you), any found "loophole" will be treated as abuse of site tools and will be met with the full breadth of the Code of Conduct.

Would nuking them ensure they won't be seen as duplicates from the new source?


Furrin_Gok said:
Would nuking them ensure they won't be seen as duplicates from the new source?

This has nothing to do with site mechanics at all.

I am unsure if I can make this any more clear but when we delete a submissions this submissions is supposed to stay deleted. Changing the hue slightly, changing the file type, or making edits to the metadata may trick the server but it will not change the submission itself in front of our rules.
This is like trying to argue a car or bike isn't the same anymore because you gave it a new coat of paint or changed the breaks. It's still the same object, just with slightly changed properties.


NotMeNotYou said:
This has nothing to do with site mechanics at all.

I am unsure if I can make this any more clear but when we delete a submissions this submissions is supposed to stay deleted. Changing the hue slightly, changing the file type, or making edits to the metadata may trick the server but it will not change the submission itself in front of our rules.
This is like trying to argue a car or bike isn't the same anymore because you gave it a new coat of paint or changed the breaks. It's still the same object, just with slightly changed properties.

That's not what I'm trying to ask about at all. I understand that deleted works remain deleted until an artist says otherwise. That's perfectly clear.
I'm saying that if the artist does want their works here, but wants to erase every trace of it having existed under the old name, would they only be able to upload new works, or is it possible to make the old name never existed while the old works did?

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Can we undelete the posts and change the artist name manually? Users are already reposting the artwork under the new name which is just going to get deleted again and again.


leomole said:
Can we undelete the posts and change the artist name manually? Users are already reposting the artwork under the new name which is just going to get deleted again and again.

The problems that we're facing here are,
A) It's previously deleted content; NMNY has explicitly said that "Deleted things stay deleted".

B) Google Index; Even if we undelete the posts and change the artist tag immediately, Google indexes are not updated frequently, meaning it would still have the former name on Google searches (for an indefinite duration).

C) People would draw similarities; Fears that keen-eyed viewers would "blow" the artist's cover by revealing his/her former name in the comments. (Comments are indexed and are viewable on Google searches)

EDIT: Looks to me that the new posts have already been approved.


I forgot to post an update in here because it was late as balls.

Mensies approached me and asked to have them restored, we found a relatively safe to do that and have done so.


It will be hard to avoid the old artist tag when several of their restored old works have that as their signature. In any event, good to see those animations are back.


What about cross-tagging common characters?

Because there's already at least one. Tagged name_(artist) no less.


abadbird said:
It will be hard to avoid the old artist tag when several of their restored old works have that as their signature. In any event, good to see those animations are back.

Artist tags are locked already, gpeople without account can't open the submission pages, and I've turned off Google indexing for those pages. They should be safe for the time being.


NotMeNotYou said:
Artist tags are locked already, gpeople without account can't open the submission pages, and I've turned off Google indexing for those pages. They should be safe for the time being.

Is the old tag also aliased? Would ensure new uploads avpid the problem immediately.


Furrin_Gok said:
Is the old tag also aliased? Would ensure new uploads avpid the problem immediately.

No, there are still SFW posts under the original artist tag so that would be incredibly contraproductive.