Asking Pixiv artists for permission to repost their art

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Does anyone have experience with this?
I'm not sure if I should ask in English, or use a translation website like https://translate.google.com/


Consensus is "don't use Google." Either get somebody to craft the message for you, or ask in English.


It's also useful if you have some basic understanding of how asian sentences are formed, so that your english sentences can be better translated.

For instance, asians very rarely use the self subject. Instead of saying "Can I share your art on e621", you would say "Could your art be shared on e621?"

And of course, you need to make absolutely sure there's no typos.


You know you don't have to ask, right? A Pivix artist is putting their art out there FOR FREE...so unless they expressly say "don't repost my art without my permission" I seriously doubt they have a problem with other people reposting it, just make sure to give them credit and such.


Dyrone said:
You know you don't have to ask, right? A Pivix artist is putting their art out there FOR FREE...so unless they expressly say "don't repost my art without my permission" I seriously doubt they have a problem with other people reposting it, just make sure to give them credit and such.

people have issued takedowns over this. so yes, asking for permission, while not necessarily required, is the better course of action.


It however does sound unnecessary since artists are fully aware that they're uploading to the public in the first place. I can understand when people never source or credit the artist, but here it's not an issue at all. Main reasons I know that artists don't want their stuff redistributed are all linked to insecurity : They think they're losing views on their main galleries and they don't like how they cannot manage comments because once in a while there's a so meanie comment popping up and they can't delete them.

I seriously have no clue why artists are that possessive over their art, I thought people love to draw so others can enjoy, butit really doesn't sound like that's the case anymore

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Neitsuke said:
It however does sound unnecessary since artists are fully aware that they're uploading to the public in the first place.

It doesn't matter one bit what your personal opinion about it is. If you choose to post art here, you're expected to do so with a permission. At the very least, don't openly flaunt the fact that you're ignoring the uploading guidelines.


Can't remember where I said that but I will just repeat what I did say.
Asking for permission, at least for my case, would be unnecessary over necessary. 80% of what I upload already have some of the artist's stuff uploaded here, so by all means, pretty much tells me that the artist is fine for his art to get uploaded here. I won't ask Mutsurf if I can upload his newest picture every time I see one on his Tumblr when I know he's completely fine with that because it sounds silly and completely unnecessary.

19% is stuff from Pixiv, which is pretty much the point here : I don't see myself bothering Japanese people about that while I have no idea how to communicate with them, since I'm pretty sure that I won't really get a reply from them anyway.

And the little 1% is stuff where the artist is new from e621, but again I just don't ask for permission. I do look around and see if there's any disclaimer first of insecurity how reposting is completely forbidden, and if I see none of that then I presume that's fine to share their work with others

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Neitsuke said:
19% is stuff from Pixiv, which is pretty much the point here : I don't see myself bothering Japanese people about that while I have no idea how to communicate with them, since I'm pretty sure that I won't really get a reply from them anyway.

Ask them in simple English. Most can read it. After all, they're on the internet and usually surf some non-Japanese sites.

Many e621 users are Japanese. And you'd never notice, because they're fluent in English.


I would prepare for a bunch of unresponded replies and the bunch of replies I would probably have troubles reading, then I'd just upload them anyway. But then for the people not wanting to share their art with others, sort of scared to observe the same trend there too, wouldn't be too easy to dismiss them after I have faved their picture since I upload what I like

Still not seeing myself doing all that, but I may do it for new artists and prepare for the worst since it's for the best interest of everyone


When I saw this thread for the first time, I thought "perhaps we could have some kind of standard 'request repost permission' text for different languages stored in the wiki (something expressing '1. is it ok to repost your publicly accessible art on e621? 2. If so, which name would you prefer to be identified by?
Thanks for your time.'. With 2 being an optional section used for artists with multiple usernames or usernames that a linguistic barrier prevents you from properly understanding)

The way the thread is continuing makes me think this would be a good idea.


treos said:
people have issued takedowns over this. so yes, asking for permission, while not necessarily required, is the better course of action.

"the better course of action"? Really?

What is the ratio of takedowns vs. the amount of Pivix art that stays up no problem? I'm guessing takedowns are pretty rare. Better to just upload it than to waste time trying to correspond with every single artist you plan on uploading. You'd be creating a lot of extra work for yourself and probably annoying the artists as well.


Dyrone said:
"the better course of action"? Really?

What is the ratio of takedowns vs. the amount of Pivix art that stays up no problem? I'm guessing takedowns are pretty rare. Better to just upload it than to waste time trying to correspond with every single artist you plan on uploading. You'd be creating a lot of extra work for yourself and probably annoying the artists as well.

Takedowns are anything but rare ...


Dyrone said:
"the better course of action"? Really?

What is the ratio of takedowns vs. the amount of Pivix art that stays up no problem? I'm guessing takedowns are pretty rare. Better to just upload it than to waste time trying to correspond with every single artist you plan on uploading. You'd be creating a lot of extra work for yourself and probably annoying the artists as well.

Asking for permission isn't a hard thing to do. Most of the takedowns on this site are from artists and character owners who didn't give any consent whatsoever, regardless whether they are from FA or Pixiv.

And just because they don't take their art down, doesn't mean they expressively allow it, sooner or later if they gets pissed the takedown section would be filled with mass deletions.


I've only ever asked a few English speaking artists. Having to choose between the potential shitstorm resulting from uploading the wrong artist's work and the tedium of researching which artists are okay with what (especially when having to directly ask an active artist that may flat out ignore you) is part of why I don't upload anymore.

I love e621 and all, but, for me, there's too much work for too little payoff for certain things, though I'm speaking from the perspective of a slacker that quickly loses interest things that don't entertain in any way.


TheGreatWolfgang said:
Most of the takedowns on this site are from artists and character owners who didn't give any consent whatsoever, regardless whether they are from FA or Pixiv.

99.9% of them seem to be from FA and Inkbunny...considering this topic is about Pivix specifically you've only supported my claim.

Even the FA ones are still a small percentage of what gets uploaded. Seems like around 5-10 takedown requests per day vs how many hundreds of pictures are uploaded per day. Not a bad ratio.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
And just because they don't take their art down, doesn't mean they expressively allow it

So you're saying we should get express permission from each artist? Did you do that for all your 1,244 posts?

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If there's already dozens of posts by the same artist here, then it's usually not necessary to hassle the artist about it again. It can be assumed that the first uploader asked for the permission, like they were supposed to.

Same goes for posts by unknown artists. Can't ask for permission if you don't know who made it. 'course, if it turns out to be DNP, you'll still get slapped for it.

But uploaders are easily replaceable, whereas takedowns are permanent. So if you're not going to ask for permission at all, leave posting to others.


Genjar said:
So if you're not going to ask for permission at all, leave posting to others.

Again, I ask, how many times have you asked permission? You must have run into dozens of artists in those 900+ posts you've uploaded that would require an asking under the guidelines you just outlined. So how many did you ask?

And whose to say even with "dozens" of posts that anyone asked the artist? That's not getting express permission...that's just assuming. Which is exactly what I'm doing if I upload some of their FREE pictures and assume it will be fine.

Seems like a lot of people in this thread are pontificating and assigning a task to others that they don't really do themselves.

Genjar said:
uploaders are easily replaceable, whereas takedowns are permanent.

Someone who wants their art taken down probably never wanted it put up in the first place, so the net loss is exactly zero.

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Dyrone said:
Again, I ask, how many times have you asked permission? You must have run into dozens of artists in those 900+ posts you've uploaded that would require an asking under the guidelines you just outlined. So how many did you ask?

Asked for permission for almost all of them. Except for unknown artists, my own commissions, better versions of posts that were already here, and posts by artists who already had a lot of content here.

Which is why I only have 37 deletions (most of which are deleted as dupes).


Genjar said:
Asked for permission for almost all of them. Except for unknown artists, my own commissions, better versions of posts that were already here, and posts by artists who already had a lot of content here.

Which is why I only have 37 deletions (most of which are deleted as dupes).

So 3.8% of your posts end up being deleted...

Ok, now lets compare you to a user who ADMITS they don't ask. I can't use myself because...well I only have 3 posts and a spotless record, but Neitsuke basically said they never ask, and 3.1% of their posts have been deleted (guessing mostly dupes as well), and they have more posts than you.

Grats on wasting your time. Seems like even with all your carefulness you actually netted lower results than someone who doesn't care.

Truth is...unless you have the unfortunate luck to run into a particularly surly artist, you're probably not going to run into an artist takendown request ever. Most artists see a site like this as flattery and/or free advertising. So simmer down and stop acting like asking for permission is this big deal. If you do it, great on you, but don't act like everyone needs to do it, we don't.

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Dyrone said:
Truth is...unless you have the unfortunate luck to run into a particularly surly artist, you're probably not going to run into an artist takendown request ever. Most artists see a site like this as flattery and/or free advertising. So simmer down and stop acting like asking for permission is this big deal. If you do it, great on you, but don't act like everyone needs to do it, we don't.

Sorry to break this to you, but as long as you're using the site, you're expected to follow the rules. It doesn't take much effort to ask for the permission, so there's no excuse not to do so.

But if that kind of attitude is getting more prevalent, then maybe it would be a good idea to tighten the rules and actually start dishing out warnings to users who make a habit of uploading without permission. Since relying on a honor system doesn't seem to be working too well.


Genjar said:
Sorry to break this to you, but as long as you're using the site, you're expected to follow the rules.

Wow, there's a rule about asking permission before uploading? Hmmm...never read that one in the uploading guides.

Genjar said:
But if that kind of attitude is getting more prevalent, then maybe it would be a good idea to tighten the rules and actually start dishing out warnings to users who make a habit of uploading without permission.

Yeah, it's becoming more prevalent because one guy, me, is talking about it on the forum? Great logic there. By the way I'm just talking common sense, you're the one getting all bent out of shape trying to knuckle down on the natural order of things.

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Dyrone said:
Wow, there's a rule about asking permission before uploading? Hmmm...never read that one in the uploading guides.

Note this bit from the uploading guidelines :

Good things to upload: 
Art the original artist has given you permission to post here.

The opposite is solidly in the 'not good' category. So yes, it's more of a guideline than a hard rule, but we greatly recommend asking for the permission.


I'm assuming Genjar meant he asked permission from each individual artist (like you're supposed to do), not for each individual post. If the artist has specific uploading guidelines that they want followed, we can update their wiki page to reflect their wishes.

Should probably stop being condescending, especially since you're strawmanning the hell out of Genjar.


Very few artists say "This one exact post only" when asked, they'll usually say "Anything under this tag is okay, anything under that tag is not" if they have a requirement like that.

So, I just ask in general. A lot of the time they ask me which images I'm considering uploading, or where I'm uploading to, but it's rare that they'll actually state limitations.


Genjar said:
Note this bit from the uploading guidelines :

Good things to upload: 
Art the original artist has given you permission to post here.

The opposite is solidly in the 'not good' category. So yes, it's more of a guideline than a hard rule, but we greatly recommend asking for the permission.

Yeah, not a rule. Weird how you were telling me to obey the rules, I guess you meant "try to follow the guidelines"? Maybe gauge your language to the situation more correctly next time.

So like I said, good if you follow it, not particularly bad if you don't. That's basically what a guideline is.

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Knotty_Curls said:
I'm assuming Genjar meant he asked permission from each individual artist (like you're supposed to do), not for each individual post. If the artist has specific uploading guidelines that they want followed, we can update their wiki page to reflect their wishes.

Should probably stop being condescending, especially since you're strawmanning the hell out of Genjar.

I've never strawmanned. I understand completely we're talking about asking an artist just once about uploading their stuff, and I've never argued under any other pretense. And I'm only being condescending because the terminator here is being so threatening like "we must crack down on this!"...what? It's a nonissue. I'm honestly surprised the discussion has gone on as long as it has.


Sorry OP for going off-topic but I have to address this.

Dyrone said:
99.9% of them seem to be from FA and Inkbunny...considering this topic is about Pivix specifically you've only supported my claim.

Even the FA ones are still a small percentage of what gets uploaded. Seems like around 5-10 takedown requests per day vs how many hundreds of pictures are uploaded per day. Not a bad ratio.

Well, I can't persuade everybody to ask permissions first, but I know that because of these small deletions, the site has garnered some bad reputation towards uploaders. Some of the people I've talked with has shown their disdain when I mention e6.

Dyrone said:
So you're saying we should get express permission from each artist? Did you do that for all your 1,244 posts?

You don't need to ask the artist for permission on individual posts, just ask whether they allow reposting on e621 in general. They would either say yes or no, along with their terms and conditions.

About 200-300 posts I've made were without the consent of the artist, that was when I assumed because they had posts here they allowed it. I even got 2 artists on the DNP list because I asked for their official permission prior to posting dozens of their work, they swiftly issued takedowns and wrote journals targeting unauthorized reposts.

Most of my posts now are done with both the artist AND commissioner's/character owner's consent on hand.


Genjar said:
If there's already dozens of posts by the same artist here, then it's usually not necessary to hassle the artist about it again. It can be assumed that the first uploader asked for the permission, like they were supposed to.

Same goes for posts by unknown artists. Can't ask for permission if you don't know who made it. 'course, if it turns out to be DNP, you'll still get slapped for it.

just what i was about to say and that unknown_artist tag is annoying. if your adding source links for a pic and the artist's name is at said source, add the artist tag while your at it. don't just leave it as unknown. ಠ_ಠ


You should always ask for permission or find a statement from the artist saying it is ok to repost their art. It's just good practice. But I assume that users don't do this for Japanese artists because a) they probably won't understand English messages, and b) they are probably 0.1% as likely to file a takedown as your average aggrieved FurAffinity/DeviantArt artist.


Genjar said:
Many e621 users are Japanese. And you'd never notice, because they're fluent in English.

One of the many Japanese e621 users could volunteer to help.
Similar to an art request:
"10 slots for Pixiv repost permission requests, done by a native speaker of Japanese"


Just pointing out that pixiv's ToS explicitly forbids others from uploading artist's works

i.e 'you're not allowed to redistribute anything from this site that doesn't belong to you'

(i'll link the tos later)