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User: Circeus
Date: January 03, 2015

Should we be allowed to use the crossdressing tag for a character whose gender is listed as ambiguous?

crossdressing -male -female

ambiguous_gender anthro canine clothed clothing eyewear girly goggles hi_res iwbitu looking_at_viewer mammal one-piece_swimsuit open_jacket open_mouth solo standing swimsuit wet wide_hips

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User: Cat-in-Flight
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Then you get situations like this where a female character wearing female clothing is labelled crossdressing because the female character doesn't look female enough to be considered female.

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User: Darou
Date: August 19, 2017

BlueDingo said:
Should we be allowed to use the crossdressing tag for a character whose gender is listed as ambiguous?

crossdressing -male -female

ambiguous_gender anthro canine clothed clothing eyewear girly goggles hi_res iwbitu looking_at_viewer mammal one-piece_swimsuit open_jacket open_mouth solo standing swimsuit wet wide_hips

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User: Cat-in-Flight
Date: August 16, 2017

Then you get situations like this where a female character wearing female clothing is labelled crossdressing because the female character doesn't look female enough to be considered female.

no, crossdressing implies that the character has a gender that is in opposition to the clothing they wear. ambiguous_gender is basically when no gender is identifiable. Also that link is a cuntboy, not female>_>

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Darou said:
Also that link is a cuntboy, not female>_>

Hence the "doesn't look female enough to be considered female" bit. It wasn't a mistake.

Also, wouldn't treating intersex characters as neither male or female be a good reason to remove the crossdressing tag from all of them?

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How should we handle all the torn_clothing tags. On one hand, we have several article-specific tags and some of these are implicated. On the other hand, the wiki page says to go no more specific than torn_topwear and torn_bottomwear, neither of which imply torn_clothing.

List of torn_* tags

Personally, I think going down to basic articles (short, pants, underwear, etc.) should be okay but no further (singlet, jeans, panties, etc.), otherwise we'd end up with a lot of tags related to this.

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BlueDingo said:
How should we handle all the torn_clothing tags. On one hand, we have several article-specific tags and some of these are implicated. On the other hand, the wiki page says to go no more specific than torn_topwear and torn_bottomwear, neither of which imply torn_clothing.

List of torn_* tags

Personally, I think going down to basic articles (short, pants, underwear, etc.) should be okay but no further (singlet, jeans, panties, etc.), otherwise we'd end up with a lot of tags related to this.

Better to choose more board terms, we already somewhat prefer those; additionally we currently are trying to officialize this as a standard regarding other variations (e.g. [color]_*, open_*, etc).
Also I doubt we would reach a real consensus about what exactly is a "basic (clothing) article".


Looking for fan art I noticed several of Tardor's characters are labeled as another artist, such as gates_(al-cat) (Normey the ferret and others as well). Is al-cat just Tardor's alternate name for his adult artwork? The art design doesn't look similar enough to me (Tardor's is more cartoony while al-cat is slightly more realistically proportioned, softer linework) but that could be intentional...


KevSnowcat said:
Looking for fan art I noticed several of Tardor's characters are labeled as another artist, such as gates_(al-cat) (Normey the ferret and others as well). Is al-cat just Tardor's alternate name for his adult artwork? The art design doesn't look similar enough to me (Tardor's is more cartoony while al-cat is slightly more realistically proportioned, softer linework) but that could be intentional...

Hmm, nobody knows? I came here to find some of al-cat's fan art of Tardor's characters and was surprised to see them all labeled character_(al-cat)!


KevSnowcat said:
Hmm, nobody knows? I came here to find some of al-cat's fan art of Tardor's characters and was surprised to see them all labeled character_(al-cat)!

I dunno. I poked around a bit and found this al-cat person present on http://alcat.tumblr.com/ and https://www.furaffinity.net/user/al-cat/
Do either of those look similar? Do you have any samples of Tardor's work you can share, or accounts you can link to?

Also, this thread seems to be for discussing tags and technical details. There may be a more relevant thread elsewhere.


Can I remove the ice_dildo tags? There's only two images, and ice improvised_sex_toy produces a reasonably sized image set.


MatrixMash said:
I dunno. I poked around a bit and found this al-cat person present on http://alcat.tumblr.com/ and https://www.furaffinity.net/user/al-cat/
Do either of those look similar? Do you have any samples of Tardor's work you can share, or accounts you can link to?

Also, this thread seems to be for discussing tags and technical details. There may be a more relevant thread elsewhere.

Yeah, I wasn't entirely sure if this was the right place, but I didn't think making a /new/ thread for one tag question was a good idea if "tag discussion" had a thread.

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/Tardor
http://twitter.com/TardorJet

Char sheet for Normey: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/13058129/
Normey from 9 years ago: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1578371/
Char design for Gates: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10736714/


KevSnowcat said:
Yeah, I wasn't entirely sure if this was the right place, but I didn't think making a /new/ thread for one tag question was a good idea if "tag discussion" had a thread.

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/Tardor
http://twitter.com/TardorJet

Char sheet for Normey: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/13058129/
Normey from 9 years ago: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1578371/
Char design for Gates: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10736714/

Interesting.

I looked at the images tagged al-cat. Curiously, most of them were uploaded by a single user. All of the sources look legit--they're present on al-cat's tumblr, pixiv account, and other stuff. They were also posted largely by a single user, two months ago: compare user:Damien-The-Red-Panda al-cat with -user:Damien-The-Red-Panda al-cat. The second link searches for images, tagged al-cat, that were NOT uploaded by this user.

Looking at the other images... ignoring the zootopia fanart, there are two with character tags:
and
Both came after Damien's mass upload. The tag history for some of the posts with character tags shows that Damien was the one who added those tags to the images:
1 2 3 4 5
It is therefore likely that Damien was the one who created the character tags as they are now.

Damien-The-Red-Panda was probably acting in good faith. Without signatures or descriptions, there's no way to guess who made a character, so finding these drawings on someone's tumblr/FA/whatever is usually enough of a clue for determining the artist.

I don't know the precise rules on tag definitions: most tags are what they are kept because that's the way they evolved. That said, if Tardor is the legitimate creator of these characters, then the tags should probably be changed. I don't know where to take this from here.

Probably, one of us should message Damien and ask them if there's something we don't know.

Then we can ask for an official alias. The request will be buried under the rubble of about fifty other alias requests that the mods can't deal with on top of everything else they have to do, and all will be quietly forgotten. Or we could just change all the tags ourselves. There's only, like, fifty, I guess, but I'd like to get someone else involved, preferably someone privileged, before doing something like that. What do you think?


BlueDingo said:
Also, wouldn't treating intersex characters as neither male or female be a good reason to remove the crossdressing tag from all of them?

That's got my support. crossdressing intersex solo only returns 10 images, and most of them don't make sense to me. e.g. dickgirls in skirts: The bottom half is cross-dressed, but the top half isn't? idk.


Then we can ask for an official alias. The request will be buried under the rubble of about fifty other alias requests that the mods can't deal with on top of everything else they have to do, and all will be quietly forgotten. Or we could just change all the tags ourselves. There's only, like, fifty, I guess, but I'd like to get someone else involved, preferably someone privileged, before doing something like that. What do you think

...maybe better to just hope a mod comments on this thread. >.>


Should images where the eyes contain hearts, but aren't hearts themselves, be tagged <3_eyes?

They're small, white, and hard to see.

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MatrixMash said:
Should images where the eyes contain hearts, but aren't hearts themselves, be tagged <3_eyes?

They're small, white, and hard to see.

<3_eyes includes heart-shaped pupils. This is an odd case, though...


BlueDingo said:
<3_eyes includes heart-shaped pupils. This is an odd case, though...

Hmm. Looking for it, it's more frequent than I expected:
<3 <3_eyes anon aryanne aryanne_(character) blonde_hair blue_eyes disembodied_hand duo earth_pony equine fan_character female forest green_skin gsuus_(artist) hair horse mammal my_little_pony navel pony road smile text tree

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User: Aryanne_Hoofler
Date: October 12, 2017 edit:
and I know I've seen at least one more. Still, that's only three results in a full page, so it's not common at all.


Do pictures like this count as bikini_top, and if so, can we do something about the aliasing bikini_topbikiniswimsuit?

2017 anthro bikini bikini_top blue_eyes bovine breasts brown_fur butt butt_pose cattle clothed clothing day denim_shorts detailed_background digital_media_(artwork) female fur infinitedge2u looking_at_viewer looking_back mammal outside pink_nose seductive shorts side_boob smile solo swimsuit

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User: Millcore
Date: October 19, 2017

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Durandal said:
Do pictures like this count as bikini_top, and if so, can we do something about the aliasing bikini_topbikiniswimsuit?

2017 anthro bikini bikini_top blue_eyes bovine breasts brown_fur butt butt_pose cattle clothed clothing day denim_shorts detailed_background digital_media_(artwork) female fur infinitedge2u looking_at_viewer looking_back mammal outside pink_nose seductive shorts side_boob smile solo swimsuit

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bikini_top already implies bikini.


BlueDingo said:
bikini_top already implies bikini.

I know, my point was that tagging that picture with bikini_top will automatically end up implying swimsuit in cases where she's not exactly wearing a swimsuit. Like Quiet's outfit. "Bra-like outerwear". More examples being:
absurd_res anthro bikini bikini_top black_fur black_hair breasts camo cat clothed clothing danawolfin detailed_background digitigrade duo feline female fur hair hi_res mammal midriff navel pants swimsuit

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User: DaNa_Wolfin
Date: October 01, 2017
2014 anthro bikini bikini_top blue_eyes breasts clothing collar eyewear facial_piercing female glasses hair jotaku mammal marsupial nose_piercing opossum piercing septum_piercing solo sweat swimsuit thalidomide

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I don't know. Maybe it's a small enough issue we can ignore it. The "solutions" would be either make a new tag for non-swimsuit tops that look like bikinis, or break the bikini_topbikini implication.

This also loops back into my constantly recurring question of "What is Krystal wearing???", which I have yet to find a satisfactory answer for.
3_toes anthro armor bikini bikini_top blue_fur blue_hair bracers canine clothing female footwear fox fur gem greaves green_eyes hair hair_ornament headband jewelry krystal loincloth low_res mammal markings necklace nintendo sandals short_hair solo spaulders staff star_fox swimsuit toes tribal unknown_artist video_games weapon white_fur

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If a character is wearing a bikini top then they are wearing part of a swimsuit, so the tagging and implications are technically accurate. Whether or not they're wearing something non-swimsuit related with it doesn't change that.

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BlueDingo said:
If a character is wearing a bikini top then they are wearing part of a swimsuit, so the tagging and implications are technically accurate.

I wouldn't consider ones such as post #7876 to be swinwear.

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Genjar said:
I wouldn't consider ones such as post #7876 to be swinwear.

I wouldn't consider that a bikini. A very skimpy breastplate, maybe?


Genjar said:
I wouldn't consider ones such as post #7876 to be swimwear.

Well...it is non-encumbering enough that she could swim in it...

That said, I don't think bikini-style armor should be aliased to bikini. They aren't actual bikinis after all, it's just a descriptor. So bikini_plate (as in that image) wouldn't need the bikini or swimwear tags, and chainmail_bikini should probably have alias removed and tagged images be cleaned to remove the bikini/swimwear tags there too.