I just made a wiki page for covering_chest and I'm wondering whether it and covering_breasts should be combined since the only difference between them is whether or not breasts are present.


BlueDingo said:
I just made a wiki page for covering_chest and I'm wondering whether it and covering_breasts should be combined since the only difference between them is whether or not breasts are present.

Interesting. I would've assumed the *_breasts version was already aliased to *_chest...

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BlueDingo said:
I just made a wiki page for covering_chest and I'm wondering whether it and covering_breasts should be combined since the only difference between them is whether or not breasts are present.

To have specific tags for acts of covering the face or body parts with sexual conotation seems ok, but covering chest... I don't know. If we keep this tag, the wiki will need clarification; Does a character with the arms crossed counts as "covering chest"?


If I may ask a question on a bit of the stranger end. Not too sure where to actually ask this.

Are there tags for handling what specific computer or console type that artwork is designed to be displayed on?

Or are instances of pixel art being designed for a specific machine in mind being submitted to the gallery so rare, that it isn't worth making note of?


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To have specific tags for acts of covering the face or body parts with sexual conotation seems ok, but covering chest... I don't know. If we keep this tag, the wiki will need clarification; Does a character with the arms crossed counts as "covering chest"?

Depends. Does it count for covering_breasts?

Arms usually cross below the chest, not over it.

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BlueDingo said:
Depends. Does it count for covering_breasts?

1st) unsure
2nd) yes

BlueDingo said:
Arms usually cross below the chest, not over it.

It seems to happens in 1/4 to 1/3 of the times.


Flygon said:
If I may ask a question on a bit of the stranger end. Not too sure where to actually ask this.

Are there tags for handling what specific computer or console type that artwork is designed to be displayed on?

Or are instances of pixel art being designed for a specific machine in mind being submitted to the gallery so rare, that it isn't worth making note of?

I would like to be able to tag specific consoles and such.


Flygon said:
If I may ask a question on a bit of the stranger end. Not too sure where to actually ask this.

Are there tags for handling what specific computer or console type that artwork is designed to be displayed on?

Or are instances of pixel art being designed for a specific machine in mind being submitted to the gallery so rare, that it isn't worth making note of?

Is it worth telling the difference between a Genesis sprite and an SNES sprite? Both look the same if you don't know what the difference is.

To do this properly, you'd have to know the exact capabilities of just about every sprite-based console and run the color picker over all the pixels just to tell which console it's for. Not worth it, in my opinion.

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I think the "central focus" part of the muscular wiki may need to be removed. If the muscular tag is only meant to apply when a character's muscularness (is that even a word?) is the focus of the image then what tag do you use when it isn't?

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BlueDingo said:
Is it worth telling the difference between a Genesis sprite and an SNES sprite? Both look the same if you don't know what the difference is.

To do this properly, you'd have to know the exact capabilities of just about every sprite-based console and run the color picker over all the pixels just to tell which console it's for. Not worth it, in my opinion.

I actually had more in mind things such as 8-bit Micros and Consoles. Huge differences in art style variation between C64, CPC, Atari 8-bit, SMS, NES, anything TMS99-series based.

Things such as aspect ratio, overall available palette... it's a fascinating mess.

But as I did lampshade, such pixel artwork being posted frequently enough to e621 would certainly be rather rare. Even if it would be neat trivia for users to see what machine a particular image was drawn for.


Flygon said:
I actually had more in mind things such as 8-bit Micros and Consoles. Huge differences in art style variation between C64, CPC, Atari 8-bit, SMS, NES, anything TMS99-series based.

Things such as aspect ratio, overall available palette... it's a fascinating mess.

But as I did lampshade, such pixel artwork being posted frequently enough to e621 would certainly be rather rare. Even if it would be neat trivia for users to see what machine a particular image was drawn for.

We could try something like tagging the color depth, palette size or approximate it to console type (eg. 8-bit). Exact console would be too difficult if it's not a full screenshot (and even then, many consoles can display multiple resolutions and aspect ratios) and some consoles can display sprites the same way (eg. the SNES format (4bpp 15-bit BGR palette) is also used on the N64, GBA and DS, meaning all 4 can display the same sprites).

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BlueDingo said:

I think the "central focus" part of the muscular wiki may need to be removed. If the muscular tag is only meant to apply when a character's muscularness (is that even a word?) is the focus of the image then what tag do you use when it isn't?

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Seems reasonable (I wonder how I never noticed that excerpt before).


I wanted to ask, would it be possible to add to the wiki of boss_monster that being a boss and a Monster don't automatically make something a Boss Monster? I'm seeing it get tagged on images with just a regular Monster that just happens to be a major fight, but is not a Boss Monster. I know the wiki describes Boss Monsters, but it doesn't seem to be stopping people from tagging anything with an important fight. Could there just be something making sure to note that "boss" + "Monster" =/= "boss monster"?

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That is the common usage of 'boss monster', so I'm not surprised that some users tag it that way. Might need to disambiguate it and move the Undertale ones under species boss_monster_(undertale).


I thought boss_monster was only used for Undertale images. Searching boss_monster -undertale returns nothing.

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kamimatsu said:
I wanted to ask, would it be possible to add to the wiki of boss_monster that being a boss and a Monster don't automatically make something a Boss Monster? I'm seeing it get tagged on images with just a regular Monster that just happens to be a major fight, but is not a Boss Monster. I know the wiki describes Boss Monsters, but it doesn't seem to be stopping people from tagging anything with an important fight. Could there just be something making sure to note that "boss" + "Monster" =/= "boss monster"?

I suggest to highlight in red the following excerpt "There are currently three known Boss Monsters: Toriel, Asgore, and their son, Asriel" (extracted from "boss_monster" wiki).

BlueDingo said:
Searching boss_monster -undertale returns nothing.

That is because "boss_monster" implies "undertale".


What's the proper way to tag A x B hybrids? "A B hybrid"? What if there's a common name for the hybrid, like mule or liger? "liger lion tiger hybrid", "liger hybrid", "lion tiger hybrid"?

The usage seems to be all over the place. Like mule is alised to "donkey" and often not tagged hybrid at all.

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hslugs said:
What's the proper way to tag A x B hybrids? "A B hybrid"?

I believe it is "A B hybrid".

hslugs said:
What if there's a common name for the hybrid, like mule or liger? "liger lion tiger hybrid", "liger hybrid", "lion tiger hybrid"?

As far as I know, the hybrid's name is suposed to imply both species that compose it plus "hybrid"; however many of these implications apparently are missing.

About mule and donkey, I simply don't know what would justify that alias, the "little" phenotypic difference between the two maybe.


The recently created switch wiki page says it refers to someone who is comfortable being either top or bottom during sex.

1. How could you know this without using outside information or dialog?
2. What about actual switches?


BlueDingo said:
1. How could you know this without using outside information or dialog?

I don't think it's possible. Even if there are multiple_images within the image showing them as both a dom and a sub, I still wouldn't consider that to be worthy evidence.

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BlueDingo said:
1. How could you know this without using outside information or dialog?

I see some possibilities:

I) Time progression (comic, sequence or animation).

II) Some instances of role reversal.

III) Things like this.

I am not completely sure if they are the same character.

BlueDingo said:
2. What about actual switches?

Maybe light_switch, switch_(object) or circuit_switch.


Since I didn't get an answer last time and all of the "muscular" wikis were recently updated to include the "central focus" bit, I want to bring this question up again and hopefully get a satisfactory answer.

If the muscular tag is only meant to apply when a character's muscularity is the focus of the image then what tag(s) do you use when a character's muscularity isn't the focus but is clearly visible?

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I know next to nothing about western clothing. What's the exact difference between the thigh highs and stirrup socks tags? Can the latter be considered a subtag of the former?


thigh_highs - Goes from foot to thigh.
stirrup_socks - No heel or toe sections.

It's possible for a garment to be either or both.

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Date: January 12, 2017 ← stirrup_socks / thigh_highs →
← both

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Thanks.
That's pretty much how the wiki describes it, but most of the latter seem to be tagged as either thigh_highs or toeless_socks instead of stirrup_socks. Could use some tagwork, I suppose.


I've noticed that thigh_highs images often have a stockings tag as well (about 4400/15500).

There's also a thigh_socks tag which might be a synonym for thigh_highs.


Question about the intersection of solo_focus and solo:

How should I handle pictures like post #829651, post #799355, or post #696618? In these situations, the character is clearly alone - which would imply solo - but there are other characters incidentally visible (in the form of pornography) which would imply solo_focus. As you can see, they're currently tagged as both, which appears to be a semi-common practice for images which only technically "contain" other characters.

The wiki says that solo and solo_focus should never ever be used together, so are these images solo_focus + duo or group, or are they solo (which makes perhaps more sense in terms of what content someone searching for 'solo' might be trying to look for), or is this an edge case where both actually are correct?

And what about post #1247542, where the other 'character' is not merely 'present' only as a disembodied_penis, but also exists only in the imagination of a character who is otherwise completely solo? This seems much more like a picture that someone searching for "solo" would probably want to see than someone looking for "solo_focus"

Related question about incidental background characters (characters who would be 'extras' in film):

What is the appropriate tag for situations like post #1033156, post #529557, or post #944356, where there definitely are other people present but they're so vague or out-of-focus that there are no identifiable details? I know about disembodied_x for where only parts of a presumed character are visible, faceless_x for when they're definitely a character but are only partially visible, and unseen_character for when a character can be inferred but is not at all visible. Is there something like "crowd" or "background_character" for these cases?


Question about gender tagging of crossgender characters where gender is still ambiguous

With what gender should I tag post #1045364? The only visible gender feature of Twilight there is a penis, so by the gender tagging flowchart this would be tagged as male and crossgender. However, Twilight is normally a female character. So this might instead be dickgirl & crossgender. (This seems likely given that porn of this character as male is dramatically less common than porn of this character as intersex, but that would clearly be tagging-what-you-know instead of tagging-what-you-see.) Or, since it's clearly confusing, ambiguous_gender and crossgender?

This would probably be easier if it weren't a pony.


Victoria_Oblong said:
post #1045364?

Male & crossgender, intersex for MLP characters requires muzzle shape (at least) and genitals. Since only genitals are shown, just male. I brought this up to our admin, Rainbow Dash, a while back, and they told me that the muzzle is the way to disconcern feral MLP characters.

Rule of thumb: intersex requires two prominent features, one body and one genital (or clothed variant), in order to be tagged. If one isn't present but the other is, it cannot get tagged as intersex.


Siral_Exan said:
Male & crossgender, intersex for MLP characters requires muzzle shape (at least) and genitals. Since only genitals are shown, just male.

Rule of thumb: intersex requires two prominent features, one body and one genital (or clothed variant), in order to be tagged. If one isn't present but the other is, it cannot get tagged as intersex.

Alright, thank you! I wasn't sure whether the usual gender of the character counted as a "prominent feature" or not in the absence of other evidence, since I knew that crossgender was already an exception to tag-what-you-see in some ways. Sounds like no.


Siral_Exan said:
muzzle shape

I thought we weren't allowed to use fictional sexual characteristics to determine gender.